It was a textbook bush league play. I doubt underwood or the team really cares (frankly they shouldn’t and nor should we), but IMO it was very unsportsmanlike.
Illinois 69, Ohio State 60 Postgame
In fairness, typically that can be determined through testing, but tests aren't given at UNC either.
You just made me think of the heyday of the Dean vs K. rivalry…and the whole “Why Can’t J.R. Reid?” thing from Duke fans.
Intense…
I was bummed we didn't get a 70 something to 50 something win. One more bucket from us and one last stop on them would have gotten us that.
Btw, what do most computer rankings do with overtime wins? Is a win by ten in overtime every considered better than a win by one in regulation?
The Good: Balanced scoring from Starters (17, 14, 12, 11)
The ‘Concerning’: 9 points from Bench on 33% overall shooting
The Bad: Reserves 0 for 5 from Three Land
The Bright Spot: Ty Rodgers good minutes.
The Brighter Spot: Team finds its footing again and defends Home Court
In general, this Team rolls when Shannon rolls. And doesn’t roll when he doesn’t.
Hawkins and Mayer are essential supplements to Shannon.
The Wild Cards remain the New Guys.
The Puzzler: R J Melendez
That, and tOSU pressing down 14 with a minute to go. If B1G teams are going to play that; Underwood should run up the score until they concede.
We rank 251st in 3 point percentage, but rank 26th in 3-pointers attempted.
Also, you can't just ignore who is lined up for the three. If Epps or Mayer is open for a three, I'm way more comfortable with that attempt than anyone else. And this is just semantics, but I wouldn't advise passing up a sure layup for a three, generally. Two things, though: what might look like a good layup at the time might end with the defense moving to block; or, even though our 2 point average is pretty good, we do have a maddening propensity to miss a lot of layups. A couple of games ago, I counted 6 missed layups in the first half.
The mighty B10 "leaders" OSU not swallowing their pride and taking the L? I'm just shocked I tell you.
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
In your example, yes, a 10-point OT win would almost certainly be considered quite a bit better than a one point regulation win.
Most of the systems out there* are based on three numbers per game:
- Points scored
- Points allowed
- Total # of possessions
Nothing special is done for OT, but an OT game will (usually) have more possessions, so it does still factor in.
For example, in our game against Texas there were 80 total possessions: 70 in regulation and 10 more in OT. We scored 85 and allowed 78 points on 80 possessions, which amounts to 1.06 pts/poss. scored and 0.97 pts/poss. allowed. If you adjust to the # of possessions in regulation, you get a final score of 74-68. So in other words, our 7-point OT win was roughly equivalent to a 6-point regulation win.
*as far as I know
Bigtex
- DFW
Doesn't really apply yesterday but not a fan of 2nd team (with limited quality minutes) not running offense and essentially running down shot clock or not even taking a shot. Let them show us fans some of their skills!!!
I agree that teams should just keep playing. Empty your benches and let them play. It shoud be good for both teams and their players. You can still run clock without just standing around with 5 regulars on the court.
Doesn't really bother me in the situation like last night. However when the opposite happens e.g., when the losing team intentionally takes a shot clock violation and the winning team still attempts to score... THAT'S bush league.
Glad we got the W. The defense, passing and rebounding was good. I am concerned by our poor 3 point shooting. 5 - 28 for 17 percent. Most were quality looks and many misses were way off target, specifically RJ's. A number of threes were not air balls but didn't have a chance. I was fine with the quality of most of the threes taken. They need to hit those open looks. This must improve. If they had shot a decent percentage the margin would have been well over 20. Great to win shooting only 17 percent on 28 threes but that won't usually happen. They have to do better and hopefully they will.
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It was a basketball play which is textbook non-bush. I doubt that OSU cares but IMO it is unsportsmanlike to not take a shot at the end as everyone understands going in that the game lasts 40 minutes, so i will agree to disagree with you on this.
Psh, I bet Hansbrough hasn't even SEEN the photo of Hawkins standing next to Omar Payne.
I'd have to rewatch the film, but I don't recall us having all that many quality opportunities from three that we missed. The open high quality threes in rhythm we did get, I think we did an ok job shooting. But the low quality guarded/out of rhythm threes we were something like 1 or 2 out of 20+ attempts. The good news was often those threes were so terribly off the mark it led to easy offensive rebounding opportunities and 2nd chance points.
Generally speaking, I do think the players need to have a realization that if the three point attempt you are taking you will make at the very least 37% of the time (this includes not only where on the floor you're shooting from, but also whether you're set/in-rhythm/off-dribble, the defense, and the pass to you) then it's analytically a good attempt, otherwise it's much better to pass the opportunity up in the hopes for something better as 37% from three is pretty much an "average" possession" for a top 50 team. Of the 28 threes we took yesterday, I have a hard time believing even 10 of them would have an expected conversion percentage of over 37%, let alone most, or all of them.
I think one other thing our players need to realize is that if we pass up the "dagger three", "momentum three", or "heat check three" we have a tendency to jack up, and instead just use that energy and momentum to run our offense, there is a high probability that the team, and possibly even that same player will get a much higher quality opportunity for that dagger three that will blow the roof off the building just a little later in the shot clock. Shooting bad threes lets your opponent off the ropes. Instead let your opponent flail around wildly chasing shadows not knowing where the next punch is coming from, while you clinically open them up and deliver the surgical strike knockout. Plus there are very few things more mentally demoralizing than running all over the court defensively chasing the play only to have your opponent's best shooter get that wide open three with less than 5 seconds on the shot as you're sucking air knowing there's nothing you can do to stop it.
MustangWally
- Mayfield
MustangWally
- Mayfield
Barnhart play by play.
KBLEE
- Montgomery, IL
The NET rewards running up the score (there may be a cap). BU tends to slow things down at the end or he gives the bench players court time. His methods are good for team cohesion. They will likely impact our seeding by a line or two a bit over the years. For example, if we had maintained the 15pt lead, instead of eating the clock and taking a 9pt win, we would be 2 positions higher on KP today.
On the other end, the NET doesn't give much credit for beating up cupcakes. We had 6 games against absolutely terrible teams.