And in spite of this, we are still on target to challenge 04-05 team for best 3 pt % and most number of 3's per game in our history.
p.s. I watched Nichols warm up on Saturday and he is definitely a 3 pt threat.
Illinois 75, BYU 73 POSTGAME
And in spite of this, we are still on target to challenge 04-05 team for best 3 pt % and most number of 3's per game in our history.
p.s. I watched Nichols warm up on Saturday and he is definitely a 3 pt threat.
Maybe I should clarify a bit. My point was to say that he likes to work freshmen in to bigger roles as the season progresses. Both Hill and Nunn had moments in the non-conference, especially Hill, where they didn't play much. There time increased during the course of the conference season. They both, however, played more in the non-con than Lucas currently is averaging. I do believe that Lucas time will increase as the season progresses.
True. We have a good shooting team that seams like it is getting more of a flow against man defense. The next key would be to continue that against zone. I do think this can be a good offensive team. The biggest thing holding them back right now is sloppiness with the ball.
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My guess is Groce has more value in Tate's distribution and defense over what Tejon offers in additional offense.
Rule number 1 in zone offense is transition attack. I'm not sure we have the right players on the floor sometimes for that concept.
Give and take with Tate. Best PG at pushing the tempo. Worst pg to play half court vs zone.
Strongly agree, this is a big part of why he was successful at Simeon. They pushed the tempo every possession which definitely led to Tate being more comfortable in general and thus not as hesitant to shoot on offense
Some people will continue to hate Tate even if he has a good game which is understandable since he has a low ceiling. He had a game against BYU but TJL needs to step up for the Illinois to have a higher ceiling but the bottom line is that Tate is playing better so far this season and the +/- supports it. There's no grand conspiracy.
I think he does. And I do too. Tate is second on the team in total TO, and leads TJL in TO/min. He also isn't as much of a scoring threat, and never was. As far as pace, given what we've seen from TJL as a freshman, I would want him to continue to get more confidence going into B1G and get even better.
I don't really think that is much of a surprise either. Tate is a senior and TJL is a freshman that missed a good part of his HSSR year and most of the summer with an injury. That being said after break I expect him to start having some things click and become increasingly effective to the point of replacing Tate
Tate is also the best facilitator on the team. We can really lack ball movement at times, but Tate has had at least 4 assists in his last three games where he played at least 15 minutes. So when people are complaining about him being in, they don't realize the net positive effect he is having on the team and only see his lack of a three point shot.
I would still like to see Tate look to drive a little more and TJL play at least one shift per game, but Tate is playing well and we are winning, so I can't complain.
He seemed pretty up to speed when he did play. He had a couple bad turnovers but he handled the team well. The only area I can see Tate being considered truly better is defensively. And still its not like hes a lockdown guy. To me, its probably a combo of defense and intensity in practice that is causing TJL to get no playing time.
Never heard of isportsweb (but then that is not surprising). Takeaways from Illinois win over BYU
http://isportsweb.com/2016/12/18/takeaways-from-illinois-win-over-brigham-young/
http://isportsweb.com/2016/12/18/takeaways-from-illinois-win-over-brigham-young/
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Yup.
I would add that while our defense overall might be average (if you're charitable), our interior defense is not. Teams that are decent attacking the basket, IMO can exploit us.
also have us as a 10 seed in their bracketology.
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I think if we'd have given the reins to TJL earlier he'd be further along than Tate at this point - but the risk was a W somewhere along the way. Its the fine line between develop and get the record to allow a bid coaches have to play sometimes. I think Tate has been fine, but I also don't get the hype of play. He has had a few nice assists recently, but TJL was doing that from the start. I also don't think +/- tells all. Too many variables. The eye test for me is that they were pretty close to equal at the NCState game (go watch that game again if you have it taped). For some reason TJL is in the prior DJW dog-house.
Passing : TJL,
Shooting TJL,
Court Vision : TJL,
Defense : JT,
Dribble Drive : TJL,
Experience : JT
Passing : TJL,
Shooting TJL,
Court Vision : TJL,
Defense : JT,
Dribble Drive : TJL,
Experience : JT
I've read on another site that TJLs knees have required heavy icing after games and maybe possibly looking at a medical rs.
Going from memory here... Think Hill and Nunn's per game minutes for their freshman season might be skewed by the last several games of that season. Iirc, Groce didn't start them and increase minutes until we were securely in last place in the conference. I thought Groce threw in the towel on the season and started getting the following year's team some experience, replacing two senior starters, Bertrand and Ekey(?), with the two freshman.
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The play where TJL came off of a pick and gave their big a little hesitation in and out and finished at the rim - yes, please. More of that, give him more minutes.
Oh. Well, if this is true ... my complaints are moot.
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That would explain a very puzzling situation. Not so sure I want it to be true though.
Then we are in trouble as our defensive numbers have been better than our offensive numbers all season. Though recently they have been moving closer together.
You'll win a lot of games where you give up 73 and you score 75.
Total points does not determine how good you are at defense. Per possession is what matters.
Although JT makes some dumb mistakes with the ball that most senior point guards shouldn't make...i'd give the nod in passing/court vision to Tate right now, he has made some incredible passes and really is great at pushing the ball in transition. TJL on the other hand is very comfortable with the ball in his hands and has better ballhandling.
If only we could have Tate push the ball to JCL/TA then sub in TJL once we are in the half court
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That is basically the point. He has been in situations he has learned running sets he knows. The more time he gets the more mistakes you would see. The fact that it isn't very noticeable is because he is being brought along at the right pace. I would be surprised if this also wasn't at least in part due to the end of his first semester of college. I really think you will see more and more as January turns to February unless there is an injury.
That dude needs grammer class.