Illinois 87, Ohio State 79 Postgame

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#401      
I know I should expect it and accept it, but the amount of overreaction on this board is incredible. Takes that this or that player needs to sit the rest of the season because they have a bad game or two are just nuts.

BU has a very tough job coaching this team - there are 8 different players that have been the best player on the floor for one or more games, and those same 8 players have had games where we would have done better with them getting few minutes. Players have good and bad days; teams scout recent results and counter them; and opponents have different strengths and weaknesses. Just because DGL, KB, WR, and MJ were good yesterday, doesn't mean that KJ or Tomi or Ben or Tre won't be the one to carry the team during the next game.

The team also has games where we destroy other teams by relying on the 3pt shot, and many other where our poor shooting from 3 keeps the other team in the game. I see the 3pt shot as the same as a pass in football with drives to the basket the same as running plays. Most teams run the ball to open up the pass, but you can do the opposite. We need to drive the ball to open up the three and vice versa. Defenses have adjusted and now close out and to run us off the 3pt line. A lot of our 3pt shots lately have been hurried. Once we start pushing the ball into the lane, defenses will start collapsing and we will see our 3pt opportunities start to improve. Too many people see tactics as a static thing.

Coaching is a very inexact science, and being highly reactive isn't always a good thing. BU is deliberate - he generally sticks with things until they are "proven" erroneous. This team is a tough one to coach because they are young and therefore inconsistent.
 
#402      
James Augustine freshman 7 ppg 6 rbg
Efrem Winters freshman 12 ppg 7 rbg
Nick Anderson freshman (redshirt) 16 ppg 7 rbg
Dee Brown freshman 12 ppg 4 rpg 5 apg
Nick did not play as a freshman
 
#404      
There were two replays that CBS played showing clearly KJ and Tommy or Morez (cannot recall which) being hacked across the arm with the referee looking right at the play (maybe someone can post stills of the plays). The no call against KJ was atrocious where referee Kimble is seen in the replay on the end line looking straight at KJ driving down the lane and being fouled on the arm without calling the foul. The announcers had to see the foul on the replay and said nothing. I believed it was called out of bounds against Ohio.

A vivid example that KJ is not going to get the foul call with the official looking right at the foul. Glad we got the win but ignoring such an obvious foul when the official is looking right at it is akin to malpractice
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This is the foul I was referring too, Kimble is standing on the end line right at the bottom of the free throw box watching without calling a foul. This is a still from Ant Wrights video regarding Tommy's passing.
 
#408      
With all due respect, you're trying to cherry pick calls that you didn't like. That was a beautifully reffed game. At no point were they the show. Did they get EVERY call right, obviously not, but I'm sure it went both ways.

High energy game and the refs stayed out of it.
 
#412      
I'll be the one to say it...

The overture of praise for Brad Underwood finally "making adjustments" has got my goat.

I'm not sayin fire Brad but I'm tired of the fans and media alike treating him like John Wooden 2.0 because he finally made a change to the lineup and started DGL (80% from 2) over Kylan who has been turnover prone, couldnt make a layup, and lives to shoot I'll advised 3s.
Along with Morez over BenHum who has been closer to Carey Booth than Marcus Domask.

THEN we go "Well he finally adjusted and had them attack the basket".

We are LAST in the B1G in 3 point percentage and we shoot the 21st MOST 3s of 360 D1 teams.

We have a 5+ million dollar coach who preaches analytics and it took him this long to stop listening to Nepo-Tyler and his dumbass NBA offense game plan. If you cant hit 35%+ as a team THEN IT'S NOT A BETTER SHOT!

You also lose momentum and rhythm shooting 40+ 3s and are giving the opposing team transition off long rebounds PLUS you dont put them in foul trouble OR give yourself the chance to get to the line.

This is jr high basketball !!!!. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here.

Players get confidence seeing the ball go through the hoop and nothing like taking contact going to the rim to help you get locked in.

Analytics are great...Brad IMO has listened to his son to the point that he has forget the game isnt played on an Excel spreadsheet
 
#413      
I'll be the one to say it...

The overture of praise for Brad Underwood finally "making adjustments" has got my goat.

I'm not sayin fire Brad but I'm tired of the fans and media alike treating him like John Wooden 2.0 because he finally made a change to the lineup and started DGL (80% from 2) over Kylan who has been turnover prone, couldnt make a layup, and lives to shoot I'll advised 3s.
Along with Morez over BenHum who has been closer to Carey Booth than Marcus Domask.

THEN we go "Well he finally adjusted and had them attack the basket".

We are LAST in the B1G in 3 point percentage and we shoot the 21st MOST 3s of 360 D1 teams.

We have a 5+ million dollar coach who preaches analytics and it took him this long to stop listening to Nepo-Tyler and his dumbass NBA offense game plan. If you cant hit 35%+ as a team THEN IT'S NOT A BETTER SHOT!

You also lose momentum and rhythm shooting 40+ 3s and are giving the opposing team transition off long rebounds PLUS you dont put them in foul trouble OR give yourself the chance to get to the line.

This is jr high basketball !!!!. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here.

Players get confidence seeing the ball go through the hoop and nothing like taking contact going to the rim to help you get locked in.

Analytics are great...Brad IMO has listened to his son to the point that he has forget the game isnt played on an Excel spreadsheet
We’ve played 25% of our season without one starter, yet we’re still 13 in KenPom and 12 in NET with 6 Q1 wins (tied for 5th most in the nation) after losing 97% of our minutes from last year’s E8 team. Brad’s certainly not perfect, but he’s a pretty damn good coach.
 
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#414      
I didn't say he wasn't, I believe he is. Read the post again for context...
 
#415      
If I coached a Jr High team that had the worst shooting percentage in their respective conference but shot the MOST 3s and someone told me after the game "you made a great adjustment there attacking the basket".

That would be considered a back handed compliment to me, wouldnt it? Like great job making the most obvious adjustment ever...

Then playing Morez who averages close to a point AND a rebound for every 2 minutes he plays over Ben Hum who is 2 for 18 in 3 games with rebounds over that span you can count on one hand....

Maybe I should give Brad credit on the latter for having the intestinal fortitude to play the freshmen over the guy you missed on and have to eat crow to your donors about.
 
#417      
He's a good coach. Best since Self. There may be a cultural divide here on why I see things that way.

As you may notice from the username, I'm a huge fan of the University but chose a different avenue instead of college. In that world, if you are being complimented for doing what everyone sees as the minimum or the most obvious choice. They do not find you incredibly competent.

If you are a good coach, as I believe he is. It is disrespectful to treat him like this was his best coaching move.

Keeping the team together during the legal stuff with Shannon, Marcus Booty ball, encouraging TSJ to fast break, and even the hockey substitution vs. Iowa were more on the lines of great coaching for me. Or even 22-23 switching the offense and defensive style completely halfway into the season...
 
#418      
Like, I don't know how there's a reasonable argument otherwise.
We’ve played 25% of our season without one starter, yet we’re still 13 in KenPom and 12 in NET with 6 Q1 wins (tied for 5th most in the nation) after losing 97% of our minutes from last year’s E8 team. Brad’s certainly not perfect, but he’s a pretty damn good coach.
And I think we have our best days ahead of us.

Healthy team, knowing where our strengths and weaknesses on a that healthy team that was brand new takes some time. I'm just hoping that KJ is ok and that left arm is fully healed soon. He looked off on Sunday but I'll hope it was a blip

We can get on a run in February and he looking at a 2/3 seed with some statement wins that will make January look like an anomaly. Remember UConn 2 years ago lost like 5 games in January and we're only a 4 seed entering the tourney. Clearly that's the ceiling but we cut down turnovers, bad 3 pt shots, get more morez and dgl and I think we go to next level again
 
#419      
I'll be the one to say it...

The overture of praise for Brad Underwood finally "making adjustments" has got my goat.

I'm not sayin fire Brad but I'm tired of the fans and media alike treating him like John Wooden 2.0 because he finally made a change to the lineup and started DGL (80% from 2) over Kylan who has been turnover prone, couldnt make a layup, and lives to shoot I'll advised 3s.
Along with Morez over BenHum who has been closer to Carey Booth than Marcus Domask.

THEN we go "Well he finally adjusted and had them attack the basket".

We are LAST in the B1G in 3 point percentage and we shoot the 21st MOST 3s of 360 D1 teams.

We have a 5+ million dollar coach who preaches analytics and it took him this long to stop listening to Nepo-Tyler and his dumbass NBA offense game plan. If you cant hit 35%+ as a team THEN IT'S NOT A BETTER SHOT!

You also lose momentum and rhythm shooting 40+ 3s and are giving the opposing team transition off long rebounds PLUS you dont put them in foul trouble OR give yourself the chance to get to the line.

This is jr high basketball !!!!. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here.

Players get confidence seeing the ball go through the hoop and nothing like taking contact going to the rim to help you get locked in.

Analytics are great...Brad IMO has listened to his son to the point that he has forget the game isnt played on an Excel spreadsheet

Welp, that's certainly an opinion

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#420      
I'll be the one to say it...

The overture of praise for Brad Underwood finally "making adjustments" has got my goat.

I'm not sayin fire Brad but I'm tired of the fans and media alike treating him like John Wooden 2.0 because he finally made a change to the lineup and started DGL (80% from 2) over Kylan who has been turnover prone, couldnt make a layup, and lives to shoot I'll advised 3s.
Along with Morez over BenHum who has been closer to Carey Booth than Marcus Domask.

THEN we go "Well he finally adjusted and had them attack the basket".

We are LAST in the B1G in 3 point percentage and we shoot the 21st MOST 3s of 360 D1 teams.

We have a 5+ million dollar coach who preaches analytics and it took him this long to stop listening to Nepo-Tyler and his dumbass NBA offense game plan. If you cant hit 35%+ as a team THEN IT'S NOT A BETTER SHOT!

You also lose momentum and rhythm shooting 40+ 3s and are giving the opposing team transition off long rebounds PLUS you dont put them in foul trouble OR give yourself the chance to get to the line.

This is jr high basketball !!!!. I'm not saying anything revolutionary here.

Players get confidence seeing the ball go through the hoop and nothing like taking contact going to the rim to help you get locked in.

Analytics are great...Brad IMO has listened to his son to the point that he has forget the game isnt played on an Excel spreadsheet

I am tired of keyboard nitwits that think they know more than a coach whose career depends on the decisions he makes over the entire course of a season just not a couple of games and who has seen 3ach of these players in practice for 100s of hours.
 
#421      
Riley has the talent to produce like this regularly. Hope that's what we're about to see. I'd also like to add I'm a big Kylan fan; he takes it hard to the rim, makes the occasional three, has the point guard mentality when he's passing and is one of the best defenders I've ever seen at Illinois. He makes free throws too.
 
#422      
Well.... I guess I'll be the one to answer this. It's a lot easier to hear the narration in the video with that music than it would have been using the typical genre of music that seems to be the default the past many years.
 
#423      
Alaska come on? “Keyboard nitwits”? Both BU is a very good coach and he is stubborn can be true at the same time?

He is stubborn, and I also am not in love with a team shooting 35+ 3 points shots a game. Especially since we are bottom 15% of the country in percentage made and we have multiple guys who can drive on our team who rebound?

On the other hand it is nothing but true BU brought us back from the abyss of Weber/Groce. really he used a great deal of flexibility to do this. Changed defenses and offenses many times in his 8 years here.

My question for BU will always be can he get us the NC? After almost 60 years as a fan, that’s really as simple as it gets for me?

Jury is still out on that one, but I do feel he, or any coach for that matter, needs to be flexible and make adjustments. I would have many times liked to see better in game adjustments in games like USC. That game we win with either a zone/box & 1 or going under picks (in my opinion), but BU just refused to do it except 2 or times and it worked? He just would not stay with it when it broke down even one time?

It’s still “leaning” time for this team and BU this season. There is not one team I don’t feel like we could not beat this year, but there are also about 75 teams we could lose to also?

Guess I see it both ways? Fan boards are meant for the opposing, even wildly opposing views, don’t think that makes anyone a nitwit? Guess I am one lol
 
#424      
I’m constantly looking at the bench at reactions and having bad transfer thoughts. Quickly pointed out Belo during his mystery season, Dainja body language, and the obvious one of the last one off the bench..

Hopefully we have some EDG that take the criticism and embrace their roles. Ik CBB is not built like that anymore, but hears to the new norm!
 
#425      
interesting...as of the game thread with about 10 mins to go some of our "fans" were declaring the season over.......soft lol
Let me explain; it's really quite simple. If we play with good energy, we're really good and win. If we play with bad energy, we stink and we lose. Sometimes people forget this and try to guess our energy level in the middle of the game, rather than wait until the final buzzer. 😀/s
 
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