This is what worries me about Petro not showing much. Would be nice if Lee or Petro could give some serviceable minutes to give KW and KB a rest.
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Illinois 90, Southern 55 Postgame
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I get the point of him being a frosh... but I'm genuinely not sure what else you'd like to see him do? Drop 50?
To me - as a PG, so much of the word "trust" comes down to ball handling. He has 17 total turnovers thru 13 games (with 50 assists). That's more than proving yourself.
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This was right after an offensive rebound and put-back by Mirk. What was Underwood angry about?
I don't trust anyone on this team more than Wagler (especially as a decision maker).
No one's been as consistent either.
No one's been as consistent either.
30 points, 30 rebounds, 30 assists in one game!
How is Hamer still employed??
I played college basketball, I understand what I’m watching
Look I don’t think I’m being out of line by not getting all excited we scored 90 on Southern, that isn’t my point.
I will die on the hill that we won’t succeed shooting 34 threes a night and that we need more set plays to rely on in crunch time and out of dead ball situations. I’d like to see some of those at least attempted against a team like Southern that we can pull out against MSU, Purdue or whoever we play in the NCAA tournament.
At the end of the day defense and rebounding is what will make this team succeed and that’s been much much better the last two games.
Lol I must have missed where EVERYONE has loved our offensive scheme and never complained about living and dying by the 3 the last two years. Our players are good, they score the ball.
That. Isn’t. My. Point.
That. Isn’t. My. Point.
If we keep playing this hard and with the focus on defense we’ve had the last two games I believe we will. Even though everyone is out to get me on here right now lol
blackdog
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How many college teams are going to function well without both of their starting guards in the game? Its early season so a lot of teams minutes are more distributed because of blowouts but what we've already seen is a pretty defined 8 man rotation. Thats exactly what you would expect in games that matter. We actually have a chance to see that grow a little bit with Lee earning more minutes as he comes back from his missed time. Im guessing he would have played more minutes if not for his ankle injury.
Pretty solid effort for a matinee buy game over holiday break. A few too many turnovers but otherwise pretty solid execution on both sides. Did feel like we were in the lab a little bit, so to speak, in that we put out a lot of lineups we haven’t really seen before. Hopefully can use this game to shore up our focus on taking care of the ball. Only way Penn State hangs with us is if we turn it over a whole bunch. Bring on conference season!
In my younger life I was a decent rebounder at the intramural level. Had a game where my team won because I had a lot of offensive rebounds. After the game one of my teammates told me he didn’t like to win like that. It wasn’t basketball.
I think a lot of people feel like that. Basketball should be beautiful ball handling and textbook jump shooting and guards passing to big men in the post.
But the game has changed. You need beasts who overpower and outwork their opponent (Wilt and Shaq). You need bigs who can handle and shoot (Magic and Larry). You need players who can beat people off the dribble (Jordan) and you need guys who can play D and get 10 offensive rebounds (Rodman). And you need 3s (Curry) to open up driving lanes and to create space. Each of these players caused the game to change in how you scheme and how you recruit.
Bob Knight basketball is DEAD. IMO, instead of complaining about the fact life changes try enjoying it instead. And maybe realize where it is today is an evolution that started years ago.
I haven’t watched this game yet, so I don’t know how disappointing MP’s play was, but does no one remember the UTRGV game? He played around 15 minutes and played pretty well. The comments after that game were the exact opposite of this game.
Dariush Takhtehchian, M.D
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22-year-old Mihailo Petrovic. As advertised. Already has 12 pts, 3 dimes, 2 boards in 12 minutes
Someone posted, "I need more Mihailo."
And another: I'll go out on a limb here and say we got a good one in Petrovic.
Really good, really quick.
And other similar posts.
I think he can still be a good PG. I just don’t know why he isn’t more consistently good like he was in the UTRGV game, other than the many reasons that have been posited here already: got to campus late, hamstring injury, didn’t get to practice more with the team, not enough minutes when he does play to get into a rhythm, and maybe trying too hard when he is in, that is he overextends himself and makes mistakes. Sadly, he does not seem to be improving, but why can he play so well against UTRGV and not in any later games? My money is on the fact that he just doesn’t get enough minutes in actual games. But I also see the other side, that he doesn’t make the most of the minutes he has, and hasn’t improved since UTRGV.
Dariush Takhtehchian, M.D
@takhtehchianmd
22-year-old Mihailo Petrovic. As advertised. Already has 12 pts, 3 dimes, 2 boards in 12 minutes
Someone posted, "I need more Mihailo."
And another: I'll go out on a limb here and say we got a good one in Petrovic.
Really good, really quick.
And other similar posts.
I think he can still be a good PG. I just don’t know why he isn’t more consistently good like he was in the UTRGV game, other than the many reasons that have been posited here already: got to campus late, hamstring injury, didn’t get to practice more with the team, not enough minutes when he does play to get into a rhythm, and maybe trying too hard when he is in, that is he overextends himself and makes mistakes. Sadly, he does not seem to be improving, but why can he play so well against UTRGV and not in any later games? My money is on the fact that he just doesn’t get enough minutes in actual games. But I also see the other side, that he doesn’t make the most of the minutes he has, and hasn’t improved since UTRGV.
Agree at this point.
Glass half full, though.
Petrovic and Lee were injured/ out of practice for quite some time. Missed month+ I think. Now school is out on break, and healthy, plenty of time to practice. Need game reps to keep improving. Both new to college ball. Get some minutes, learn, cut down mistakes, repeat. Schedule will change in the new year- games every 3/4 days. Will need contributions- some days KW and KB will need a break.
Haven't seen Petro crying on the sidelines and jumping into Brad's arms.
Just switch his and Petro's deals...
Wonder how McCamey did...?
I thought for sure Deron, Dee or McCamey would have had closer to 3:1 ratios, but all were no more than 2.1.-2.4 to 1. All had more assists per game but many more turnovers.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
And if it were, NOT ENOUGH OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS!
It probably depends on the agreement/contract. If it's a fixed contract, you'd have to get creative to change things...never hurts to ask for a new one. I would think many contracts for established players have incentives, which might be slightly odd for a freshman, but you never know...
With Curbelo, I remember a lot of jumping up and down and cheering some amazing passes and high energy play and also some head scratching and cursing after some poor decisions pre-concussion. So far, I have only done the second part with Petro. But I still have hope... I guess.
Illinois does not "shoot 34 threes a night"... currently averaging 29.6 on the season... regardless of the number (many successful programs are shooting even more of them than we are), part of what makes our offensive scheme so successful is getting up a lot of threes and rebounding misses at one of the highest rates in the country. So the number of 3 point attempts is by design, and not by "inability of or apathy to running set plays".
You do not think we run set plays in crunch time or out of dead ball situations? There are plenty of full-game vids on YouTube. Go check them out, its totally free.
hooraybeer
- Peoria, IL
a lot of people (including me) don’t watch the modern NBA it appears. Teams in the NBA are averaging about 37.0 three-point attempts per game per team so far this season. it’s just the way it is now, which is heavily influenced by analyticsIllinois does not "shoot 34 threes a night"... currently averaging 29.6 on the season... regardless of the number (many successful programs are shooting even more of them than we are), part of what makes our offensive scheme so successful is getting up a lot of threes and rebounding misses at one of the highest rates in the country. So the number of 3 point attempts is by design, and not by "inability of or apathy to running set plays".
You do not think we run set plays in crunch time or out of dead ball situations? There are plenty of full-game vids on YouTube. Go check them out, its totally free.
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