Illinois 92, Minnesota 65 Postgame

#76      
Curbelo was great last night. He did have a couple bad moments. But Ayo has a couple of bad moments every game too (along with every other player ever).

9 points, 9 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 turnovers. I'll take that every game from him.
Absolutely !
At least for me, I've been griping about passing the ball around the arc, never penetrating.
Curbelo penetrates and changes the game entirely. If he gives it up a couple of time to completely change the defense, fair trade.
Heck, better than fair trade. I like his game. A LOT
 
#77      
Am somewhat bothered by Ace’s lack of rebounding nos. Does it seem odd to anyone else that Belo is getting more rebounds than Ace? Just size alone would make me predict differently and it was such a great part of Griffin’s game that we are missing.
 
#78      
Am somewhat bothered by Ace’s lack of rebounding nos. Does it seem odd to anyone else that Belo is getting more rebounds than Ace? Just size alone would make me predict differently and it was such a great part of Griffin’s game that we are missing.
Is it possible Miller's role draws him further out to the perimeter, both on offense and defense? Just purely speculation on my part, and don't know why it would be any different from Griffin, though I think Griffin may have an inch or two on Miller.
 
#79      

Govoner Vaugn Fan

New Orleans
Curbelo was great last night. He did have a couple bad moments. But Ayo has a couple of bad moments every game too (along with every other player ever).

9 points, 9 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 turnovers. I'll take that every game from him.
Curbelo reminds me of Tas (The Tasmanian Devil from Bugs Bunny) A whirling blur of energy. He seems able to get anywhere at any time and always finds a narrow crack in the defense to slip a pass through.
 
#80      

DB11Headband

Chicago Burbs
Am somewhat bothered by Ace’s lack of rebounding nos. Does it seem odd to anyone else that Belo is getting more rebounds than Ace? Just size alone would make me predict differently and it was such a great part of Griffin’s game that we are missing.
I think that will come with time, Ace is still getting his feet under him at the collegiate level. And to be fair, it is a very high ask for him to replace Griffin’s production on the boards-Alan was an elite rebounder for his size.
 
#81      

illini80

Forgottonia
Still some holes to patch, but obviously a good game. Don’t know what Minny is. Did we make them look that bad or are they bad? Not many teams are going to shoot 27.5% regardless. Once we got it rolling, most everything worked. That’s kind of how it goes. Still, we need to come of the gate out stronger. I still have concerns at the 4 spot and Miller will get better.
 
#82      
Miller will hit the open 3 if he doesn't rush his shot. His high school highlight show he has a good pull up jumper ( seen it once, he missed) and drove well to the rim. Got there twice yesterday but didn't finish. As he becomes more confident he will be real tough to stop.
 
#83      
When it comes to ACE as a freshman he needs confidence by hitting his first shot. I think he had 12-14 points last night. Not bad for his first BT game. I would like to see Miller maybe drive the ball and take a mid-range jumper like Ayo. I would like to see Hawkins playing stronger. Seems like he plays a little timid at times. Overall for the first Big Ten game, we looked good. Tough road trip would love to see us at 3-0 next week. With the BT as tough as it is getting off to a good start will help down the road.
 
#84      
Curbelo was great last night. He did have a couple bad moments. But Ayo has a couple of bad moments every game too (along with every other player ever).

9 points, 9 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 turnovers. I'll take that every game from him.
What feels good about Curbelo is that Illinois is in a position for the first time in a long while where they actually need a true point guard. For years, the only thing Illinois needed was some guy to bring the ball up the court, which they did by committee. The offense wasn't really run by the point guard. I thought this would be even more true in Underwood's positionless offense. But now, Illinois has guys underneath and guys on the wing, and it really helps when Curbelo creates opportunities. I feel bad for some previous pass-first guards Illinois had in the past. There just wasn't a lot of offense to set up.
 
#85      
What makes Iowa great is their inside out game and they make fre throws. I think we are quicker but aren’t quite there yet with that consistent outside shot.
Anyway you look at it, this is going to be a fun season to watch. Proud of these young men bouncing back after a tough loss at Missou.
Now back on the road. These next three games will be a great test. I am with Ayo. Let’s continue the goal of raising a big ten champions banner and continue to get better and balanced as a TEAM.
Go Illini!!!!
Illini are shooting 43% from 3 (12th in the Nation, #1 in the B1G). They've had 7 players attempt a 3...of those Ayo and Curbelo have the worst percentages at 37.5%. I'd say that's pretty consistent.
I won't argue with you on the FTs though.
 
#86      
What feels good about Curbelo is that Illinois is in a position for the first time in a long while where they actually need a true point guard. For years, the only thing Illinois needed was some guy to bring the ball up the court, which they did by committee. The offense wasn't really run by the point guard. I thought this would be even more true in Underwood's positionless offense. But now, Illinois has guys underneath and guys on the wing, and it really helps when Curbelo creates opportunities. I feel bad for some previous pass-first guards Illinois had in the past. There just wasn't a lot of offense to set up.
Curious as to opinion of Belo’s quickness vs Dee’s quickness. Not trying to compare their overall game just the quickness of Belo vs “one man fast break”. Twitch looks equivalent to me but probably not speed. Memory may be off.
 
#87      
Curious as to opinion of Belo’s quickness vs Dee’s quickness. Not trying to compare their overall game just the quickness of Belo vs “one man fast break”. Twitch looks equivalent to me but probably not speed. Memory may be off.
I think Dee Brown was a better shooter, better going to the basket, faster, a better ball handler (maybe not as flashy), a better passer...but then, I think Dee could walk on water, so my judgement may be biased.
 
#88      
I feel like I remember Dee quite well.

I don't recall him being anywhere close to the inherent court vision Curbelo seems to have. It's a rare talent, maybe 1 per class in all of college ball. Dee was good, but I didn't perceive him to be at this crazy level of court vision I'm seeing here.

Just my observation SO FAR.
 
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Wasn't able to post in Mizzou spread but I want your guys thoughts on the end of the game:

Anyone think Underwood should've called our final timeout at half court. If we were down by 2, what he did would make sense to use it when he did because it gives Ayo more room to take the ball to the hole and make something happen. In my opinion, we would've had a better shot calling the timeout at half court because it is so hard to set up a 3 point opportunity play going full court while we are being pressed. At half court, we would have been able to draw up a set play and have either Ayo or someone take it to the hole and kick it out to Frazier or Miller (which I think he should've been in at the end of the game).

Also, Underwood essentially had a full timeout in between there because the refs were spending time checking the remaining time on the clock.

Thoughts? If this was already spoken about in previous forum, please post here.

-Thanks
 
#90      
I think Dee Brown was a better shooter, better going to the basket, faster, a better ball handler (maybe not as flashy), a better passer...but then, I think Dee could walk on water, so my judgement may be biased.
Dee was great. Definitely different players. Curbelo seems to really know how to get to the basket, IMO, better than Dee. Curbelo is still sloppy and too loose with the ball at times, but he seems to be more gifted of a ball handler, too.

I don't feel like we've seen a player quite like Curbelo here that can get to the basket at will like he can. And when he sees a crease at getting to the rim, he is quick at getting there. Impressive.
 
#93      
Dee Brown was the greatest college basketball player in Illini history. This is hilarious.
And Michael Jordan and Lebron James are two of the best to ever play in the NBA. How dare anyone suggest Steph Curry is a better shooter.




No one suggested Curbelo is better than Dee. I don't want to leave anything hanging.
 
#94      
Is it possible Miller's role draws him further out to the perimeter, both on offense and defense? Just purely speculation on my part, and don't know why it would be any different from Griffin, though I think Griffin may have an inch or two on Miller.
Ayo has picked up rebounding much better this year. Maybe that is the trade off...Miller and Frazier/Curbelo stay back and Ayo crashes boards since Ayo better rebounder??
 
#95      
I've come around a lot on Dakich. He is one of my favorite color guys now that regularly gets Illinois games. He's a little over the top at times, but he has a lot more knowledge and can break things down better than a lot of other guys.
Good energy too since there is no crowd this year. I realized this during the Mizzou game maybe? I thought the announcers lacked energy. No crowd noise, so took away from game. Need to add younger/energetic analysts for games with no crowds.
 
#96      

danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
I have also noticed announcers getting off-track at the end of games that aren't close in recent years, which is a bit annoying... but I think it's going to be especially bad this year given that a lot of the announcers aren't even on-site. Much easier to shoot the breeze when it's you and a buddy watching on TV rather than courtside surrounded by fans.
 
#97      
Ayo has picked up rebounding much better this year. Maybe that is the trade off...Miller and Frazier/Curbelo stay back and Ayo crashes boards since Ayo better rebounder??
Doesn’t explain why Belo has more rebounds than Ace. (3.6/2.1). Ace is bigger and looks much stronger than Belo. Belo is definitely quicker but it is a considerable difference when you look at minutes played. Griffin just had a feel for it and wonder if also true of Belo despite his size. (Dee averaged 3.7 his freshman year but only 2.7 in 2004-5 so there are other factors at play) Really believe quickness offsets a lot of size in all facets of the game.
 
#98      
Doesn’t explain why Belo has more rebounds than Ace. (3.6/2.1). Ace is bigger and looks much stronger than Belo. Belo is definitely quicker but it is a considerable difference when you look at minutes played. Griffin just had a feel for it and wonder if also true of Belo despite his size. (Dee averaged 3.7 his freshman year but only 2.7 in 2004-5 so there are other factors at play) Really believe quickness offsets a lot of size in all facets of the game.
I’ve come to believe that size is not a good predictor of rebounding ability. While it helps to be taller and stronger than others going for the same ball, I think anticipation, quickness, timing and desire are much more important factors.

System can also play a role. Perhaps Miller has been coached to get down the court quickly to look for transition 3 opportunities, while Curbelo has been coached to stay closer to the defensive basket to get the pass from the rebounder.
 
#99      
I’ve come to believe that size is not a good predictor of rebounding ability. While it helps to be taller and stronger than others going for the same ball, I think anticipation, quickness, timing and desire are much more important factors.
I always felt I was a good rebounder for someone not that tall. When I was young, I did a lot of rebounding for my older brother as he shot. I believe I gained an edge in seeing the ball in the air and predicting where it would go off the rim.
 
#100      
Ayo has picked up rebounding much better this year. Maybe that is the trade off...Miller and Frazier/Curbelo stay back and Ayo crashes boards since Ayo better rebounder??
Yeah exactly this, Miller isn't a primary ball handler, so he's more likely to take off on the break than crash for a board. Ayo is bringing the ball up often so he's naturally going to be crashing since he will have to be there to receive the ball from the bigs to bring up the court.

That being said Miller doesn't exactly have a size or leaping advantage on they other wings he's guarding like Ayo has, so I imagine he won't be able to pull many down with pure athleticism.