Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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Each of those programs except Northwestern has a higher AVG score than Illinois does right now. Also, in the transfer portal era you aren't going to see the massive 30 high school recruit classes anymore. Everyone is hunting for quality because they know the transfer portal will smooth out any consistent recruiting misfires (or roster development failures).

And Illinois/BB continue to improve the program and the recruiting. I don't ask for anything more. They are getting quality players and will do well in the B1G.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
And Illinois/BB continue to improve the program and the recruiting. I don't ask for anything more. They are getting quality players and will do well in the B1G.

Then we agree? My post was not a gripe about the current status. I'm simply pointing out that (a) this is good start and (b) it needs to be maintained to show that continued upward trajectory.
 
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Then we agree? My post was not a gripe about the current status. I'm simply pointing out that (a) this is good start and (b) it needs to be maintained to show that continued upward trajectory.
Yes, I just don't care about Illinois being ranked #XX in recruiting or where Illinois is headed in #XX at the end. It's far more nuanced than a #.
 
#455      
That's the point. Illinois just won 8 games. This first full recruiting weekend was a home run. Just need to keep hitting home runs to keep up. It's great that we can keep discounting Nebraska (not sure about that), but plenty of the programs I mentioned have also overachieved.

I think we're pretty much in agreement. I just think Bret's doing about as well as he can right now--yeah we won 8 games last year, but on the other hand we've been a losing program on the whole for these recruits' entire lives. I agree he needs another big weekend to really solidify this class. But in the intermediate term, landing class ranks in the 30ish range, landing a few key transfers a year, and coaching the hell out of these kids is a perfectly good playbook. Consistently post winning seasons while recruiting with the same intensity, and that's when the truly great classes will come.
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Yes, I just don't care about Illinois being ranked #XX in recruiting or where Illinois is headed in #XX at the end. It's far more nuanced than a #.

I did say it was more nuanced than that in my first post about flaws with recruiting rankings. There are lots of data points behind the scenes we can't see, such as this coaching staff really REALLY likes Orr, to the point where it seems obvious to us fans that they think he's underrated. But that's the rub, that nuance is behind closed doors and this is a public discussion forum. The only points for us regular folk to discuss is publicly-available data (hence why 247/Rivals exists and is the common currency among fans). For me, it's way more valuable to discuss competing offers (who Illinois is beating out for a recruit) and rankings (hence why these two variables are correlated) than to not discuss recruiting at all because of hidden data.
 
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Lightfoot is a top 100 kid … He can go anywhere he wants … Charlie really has us in the thick of it with him and we might get a visit but ultimately I think he goes elsewhere … Probably Ohio State …

Stewart is going to Michigan from what I’ve been told …
Sucks, but to have our logo next to the other 5 on Lightfoot's top 6 is still something very new to us and feels pretty good!
 
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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Fun nuggets when comparing the start of the 2022 - 2023 - 2024 recruiting classes under Bielema:

Commits as of June 13th of each year:
2022: 9
2023: 6
2024: 9

Average # of G5 (or better) offers of committed players*:
2022: 2.56 (most: Whitenack - 5)
2023: 6.00 (most: Aamland - 16)
2024: 11.67 (most: Tuerk - 20)

Average # of P5 offers of committed players*:
2022: 0.11 (most: Leary - 1)
2023: 4.33 (most: Feagin - 12)
2024: 5.67 (most: Tuerk - 15)
* at time of commitment, as of June 13th

AVG Rating**
2022: 85.26 (~ 1164th ranked recruit)
2023: 86.47 (~ 920th ranked recruit)
2024: 86.71 (~ 858th ranked recruit)
**total class, not available for time stamped data
 
#461      
Fun nuggets when comparing the start of the 2022 - 2023 - 2024 recruiting classes under Bielema:

Commits as of June 13th of each year:
2022: 9
2023: 6
2024: 9

Average # of G5 (or better) offers of committed players*:
2022: 2.56 (most: Whitenack - 5)
2023: 6.00 (most: Aamland - 16)
2024: 11.67 (most: Tuerk - 20)

Average # of P5 offers of committed players*:
2022: 0.11 (most: Leary - 1)
2023: 4.33 (most: Feagin - 12)
2024: 5.67 (most: Tuerk - 15)
* at time of commitment, as of June 13th

AVG Rating**
2022: 85.26 (~ 1164th ranked recruit)
2023: 86.47 (~ 920th ranked recruit)
2024: 86.71 (~ 858th ranked recruit)
**total class, not available for time stamped data
Frame of reference? Where does UI stack up against other BIG foes in this regard?

* just wondering...fyi the data is great. Thanks.
 
#462      
Commits as of June 13th of each year:
2022: 9
2023: 6
2024: 9

Average # of G5 (or better) offers of committed players*:
2022: 2.56 (most: Whitenack - 5)
2023: 6.00 (most: Aamland - 16)
2024: 11.67 (most: Tuerk - 20)

Average # of P5 offers of committed players*:
2022: 0.11 (most: Leary - 1)
2023: 4.33 (most: Feagin - 12)
2024: 5.67 (most: Tuerk - 15)
* at time of commitment, as of June 13th

AVG Rating**
2022: 85.26 (~ 1164th ranked recruit)
2023: 86.47 (~ 920th ranked recruit)
2024: 86.71 (~ 858th ranked recruit)
**total class, not available for time stamped data
Great analysis. Of course rating services are less accurate once you get past 4 star and 5 star studs. Iowa, Wisconsin and MSU have thrived on developing 3 star kids forever. Its a realistic model for Illinois . The 4 star and 5 star talents goes to OSU, Michigan, Bama, Georgia, USC, Clemson, Notre Dame.
 
#464      
This is likely a "duh" statement, but the most recent draft has done more for our football program than any amount of standard recruitment ever will. Guys go to the elite programs not so much because they win, but because they send players to the next level. Illinois moved in that direction in this past draft. And, yeah, if you get guys who go to the next level the rest should take care of itself.
 
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DeonThomas

South Carolina
Fun nuggets when comparing the start of the 2022 - 2023 - 2024 recruiting classes under Bielema:

Commits as of June 13th of each year:
2022: 9
2023: 6
2024: 9

Average # of G5 (or better) offers of committed players*:
2022: 2.56 (most: Whitenack - 5)
2023: 6.00 (most: Aamland - 16)
2024: 11.67 (most: Tuerk - 20)

Average # of P5 offers of committed players*:
2022: 0.11 (most: Leary - 1)
2023: 4.33 (most: Feagin - 12)
2024: 5.67 (most: Tuerk - 15)
* at time of commitment, as of June 13th

AVG Rating**
2022: 85.26 (~ 1164th ranked recruit)
2023: 86.47 (~ 920th ranked recruit)
2024: 86.71 (~ 858th ranked recruit)
**total class, not available for time stamped data
This is really beneficial. Great analytics! TY
 
#468      
If Bullen is able to actually get Lightfoot......Lord have mercy

Lightfoot will be tough, but I look at this a different way. Here is on3's list of top 2025 in-staters. Supposed to be a top class. And look, 6 of the top 7 recruits are defensive lineman. Many have top SEC offers already. This is the real test. Need 2-3 of these

 
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madillini4

Ozamataz Buckshank
Millywaukee
Charlie’s got a great sell … Lightfoot is a smart kid and his parents are very smart as well … They know that Charlie would get Marquise ready for the league and his Mom LOVES Charlie and Bret …
I’M SMARTACUS
 
#473      
This. Looking at the other Big Ten classes, this is a good start but needs to be maintained. Repeat this in two weeks with another 3-4 vistors committing and the staff likely locks in a low-40's recruit class or better. Regardless to how you feel about recruiting rankings, and I agree they are a "noisy" measurement tool, the program is still looking up at lots of surrounding B1G schools (Wisconsin #15, Iowa #20, Nebraska #31, Northwestern #32, Purdue #33).

We can crow all we want about Bielema's staff and their development prowess, but the goal is to bring in equal or better talent than these other schools and have the developmental edge.
this is where missing out Alexander/Williams might hurt. We might get lucky and land one of Dupree/Knight/Valentine, but as it stands now, most of the highest rated recruits we'll land in '24 are already on board. There are definitely some more solid options we still have a chance with that have some good P5 offers, but doesn't look like there will be an Elzy level commit in this class. If we have success again this year maybe we can flip somebody or swoop in late. As of now though, '24 may be another smallish improvement instead of the "leveling up" we were hoping for after all of our success last year. Still headed in the right direction, but yeah, we're going to have to keep improving to keep up in the new B1G.

I have faith BB and staff can do it.
 
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Impressive class so far considering how far down Illinois was before he arrived. I am still shocked the DB's are not jumping at the chance to play at Illinois.

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mhuml32

Cincinnati, OH
Frame of reference? Where does UI stack up against other BIG foes in this regard?

* just wondering...fyi the data is great. Thanks.

Would take a lot of time to build a list like this for other B1G teams because of 247 page limitations (for example, once a player signs, you have to manually look through the timeline to see commitment date, when other offers were conferred, etc.). Took me about 45 minutes to build this for just Illinois.
 
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