Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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zentrails
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Seems to me like more of a Ashton Hollins replacement.
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IIRC Hollins had nice top end speed that Bowick did not, wish we could have kept both
We do seem to have a bunch of talented WRs including some promising ones that haven't had a chance at PT yet.
New guy's a little taller than Bowich, amirite? Taller is good.
 
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STLini25
Illini92and96 said:
That’s exactly my point. If have no knowledge of NIL contracts, but it’s a crappy contract if someone can sign it and say “ah forget it - changed my mind”.

I led contract negotiations at a greedy fortune 100 that liked to be a bully, and contracts worked the way it wanted them to. Enough lawyers and enough desire to go after people and you can have a lot of control or make it very painful for someone that does not want to comply.

Sure, you can’t be stopped from transferring, but you could still be on the hook or face litigation. Would players want the hassle of being sued? I would think not.

Universities have money and lawyers to force the rules and/or play hard ball if they choose. Maybe it’s not a big enough issue yet for them to go that path.
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Universities are not a party to the contract. So they can’t sue.

You said the student said “forget it I changed my mind”. He is agreeing for his name image likeness to be used. He’s not changing his mind. The payer may be able to void contract if he isn’t attending a certain school but the student isn’t contracting to attend that school.

What are you going to sue him for?
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
zentrails said:
IIRC Hollins had nice top end speed that Bowick did not, wish we could have kept both
We do seem to have a bunch of talented WRs including some promising ones that haven't had a chance at PT yet.
New guy's a little taller than Bowich, amirite? Taller is good.
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Both 6”4.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
HensonHall71 said:
Without trying to do a 2- deep right now, I'm looking at what are priorities are in the portal, here's my sense:

Need a starter
1) Edge rusher - we have Barna and Daniel Brown at OLB, but I would think the staff is looking for an experience edge rusher to be a difference maker
2) FS - I literally have no idea who would play the Miles Scott role right now, so we need an experienced FS
3) WLB - I don't think we had anyone in the 3 deep that is still here, so we need someone to fill this role
4) DL - we have McCullom, Farrell and Janki, but it's thin with experience after that, I would think the staff wants one starting caliber player here
5) P and K - I don't know how the staff feels about the current players Osada and Rau for these roles, but I would imagine they ware looking for an experienced replacement at both roles

Priority Depth
1) WR
2) SS
3) CB- we have Morris, Juice and Heckel, but we definitely need depth behind that and maybe even a starter for the NB

There are other areas we need depth, but let me know if others agree on the priorities right now
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Didn’t we get the guy from East Texas A&M? Lavon Williams.
 
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Illini2010-11
STLini25 said:
Universities are not a party to the contract. So they can’t sue.

You said the student said “forget it I changed my mind”. He is agreeing for his name image likeness to be used. He’s not changing his mind. The payer may be able to void contract if he isn’t attending a certain school but the student isn’t contracting attend that school.

What are you going to sue him for?
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I think this is where many are getting caught up.

The truth is that no actual rules were broken in this example. It can easily be seen in bad taste, but the player entered the portal in the appropriate window.

This is one of the downsides in the current landscape, and we had this happen to us in basketball a few months ago. I tend to think it is a blessing in disguise for the program losing the player, as they were not truly bought into the program.
 
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Illini92and96
STLini25 said:
Universities are not a party to the contract. So they can’t sue.

You said the student said “forget it I changed my mind”. He is agreeing for his name image likeness to be used. He’s not changing his mind. The payer may be able to void contract if he isn’t attending a certain school but the student isn’t contracting attend that school.

What are you going to sue him for?
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If you sign a contract for someone to exclusively own your - in this case name and likeness - you can’t just turn around and give it to someone else without being in breech. That’s the basic point of having the contract, providing you chose to structure it that way when you created it. Sure, you could transfer, but without the right for someone new to now have your likeness. You already signed that away. Enforcement is a separate decision.

I thought the 15-20m for football from the settlement was going to be paid from the university? Maybe I misunderstand? Or are deals going to be a blend going forward - some for the university fund and some from NIL.
 
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derrick6
Illini92and96 said:
That’s exactly my point. If have no knowledge of NIL contracts, but it’s a crappy contract if someone can sign it and say “ah forget it - changed my mind”.

I led contract negotiations at a greedy fortune 100 that liked to be a bully, and contracts worked the way it wanted them to. Enough lawyers and enough desire to go after people and you can have a lot of control or make it very painful for someone that does not want to comply.

Sure, you can’t be stopped from transferring, but you could still be on the hook or face litigation. Would players want the hassle of being sued? I would think not.

Universities have money and lawyers to force the rules and/or play hard ball if they choose. Maybe it’s not a big enough issue yet for them to go that path.
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Would negatively affect your recruiting unless everyone did the same.
 
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STLini25
Illini92and96 said:
If you sign a contract for someone to exclusively own your - in this case name and likeness - you can’t just turn around and give it to someone else without being in breech. That’s the basic point of having the contract, providing you chose to structure it that way when you created it. Sure, you could transfer, but without the right for someone new to now have your likeness. You already signed that away. Enforcement is a separate decision.

I thought the 15-20m for football from the settlement was going to be paid from the university? Maybe I misunderstand? Or are deals going to be a blend going forward - some for the university fund and some from NIL.
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you are trying to make NIL something it’s not. NIL have very specific rules. How you are describing NIL is not accurate to NIL rules/law. For instance, it’s not allowed for an NIL agreement to be exclusive.

Revenue Sharing and NIL are different but have similar rules. Revenue Sharing cannot stop transferring. However, transferring does stop revenue sharing. Exactly like NIL in that aspect.
 
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Illini92and96
Illini2010-11 said:
I think this is where many are getting caught up.

The truth is that no actual rules were broken in this example. It can easily be seen in bad taste, but the player entered the portal in the appropriate window.

This is one of the downsides in the current landscape, and we had this happen to us in basketball a few months ago. I tend to think it is a blessing in disguise for the program losing the player, as they were not truly bought into the program.
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Depends on the example we are using. Players can’t sign a contract and decide to sign a different one a day later because the dollars are greater, if that would put them in breech of the first contract. If you have not signed a contract, or the contract does not have teeth, yeah the player can do whatever the heck they want. Albeit maybe in bad taste, as you note.
 
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Illini92and96
STLini25 said:
you are trying to make NIL something it’s not. NIL have very specific rules. How you are describing NIL is not accurate to NIL rules/law. For instance, it’s not allowed for an NIL agreement to be exclusive.

Revenue Sharing and NIL are different but have similar rules. Revenue Sharing cannot stop transferring. However, transferring does stop revenue sharing. Exactly like NIL in that aspect.
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If you are saying the NIL rules can never be changed I agree with you. Contracts will never be enforceable.

What I’m saying is if it turns into a !!!! show of signing contracts and decommitting for more $, if the power to be (NCAA and states so far, yes?) wish to make contracts enforceable they can, by changing some of the conditions you cite. It doesn’t have to turn into the wild Wild West with no recourse.

“The settlement also led to the creation of the College Sports Commission (CSC), an independent body created by the Power Five conferences to oversee the implementation and enforcement of new rules related to revenue sharing, roster limits and NIL deals”
 
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STLini25
Yes they can. They can ALWAYS transfer. ALWAYS. They don’t get paid but they can transfer. (Not to be confused with eligibility rules with transferring in season)
 
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Oracle21
I have to wonder if academics plays any role now in the age of paying players. For these guys that transfer 2+ times I have to think it doesn’t. No possible way they are ending up with any degrees by doing that.

I think there’s gonna still be a % of the roster that is going to school for the degree and if they get paid a salary on top of that perfect. But then an ever growing % that simply treats each season as professional football. No concern with academics/credits etc.Just whoever is willing to pay the most to have them suit up on the football team they’ll do it. And if they hit the free agency portal each year so be it.

I think the guys that still get the degree are going to come out far better in life than the 4 year mercenary players who after transferring multiple times will have no degree but I guess enough money to make it worth it before they figure their next moves since most won’t be going to the NFL
 
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illinidarrin
2 of our bigger targets are visiting Mizzou today in Dontae Simpson DT from Miami and Jaden Jones DE of Florida St. These were the two biggest targets we had that i saw on any list. I will be more than just a little bummed if Mizzou gets them both. I thought we had to land at least of them.
 
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illinifan1987
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#775      
Rooftop
Illini92and96 said:
If you are saying the NIL rules can never be changed I agree with you. Contracts will never be enforceable.

What I’m saying is if it turns into a !!!! show of signing contracts and decommitting for more $, if the power to be (NCAA and states so far, yes?) wish to make contracts enforceable they can, by changing some of the conditions you cite. It doesn’t have to turn into the wild Wild West with no recourse.

“The settlement also led to the creation of the College Sports Commission (CSC), an independent body created by the Power Five conferences to oversee the implementation and enforcement of new rules related to revenue sharing, roster limits and NIL deals”
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Fellow Illini fans

I think it’s best to take this long-winded stuff & discussion to the NIL thread. Hope you agree.

This is the recruiting thread. Thanks!!
 
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