Exactly. I'm goodnight with respecting them etc but that's it.
Dress for the job you want.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April 2017)
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Exactly. I'm goodnight with respecting them etc but that's it.
Dress for the job you want.
Cameron Johnson obviously is more ready to contribute immediately, Wooten would be a good get this late though as well.
Frazier, Williams, Johnson, Wooten and the Italian kid? + 1?
Joseph Kerr
- Fort Wayne, IN
Mike Ellis @CoachMikeEllis 4h4 hours ago
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Appreciate the phone call from @IlliniMBB Coach Brad Underwood reaching out to introduce himself & check on the landscape of ETHS Basketball
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Appreciate the phone call from @IlliniMBB Coach Brad Underwood reaching out to introduce himself & check on the landscape of ETHS Basketball
Huh? Please explain.
He turned around OSU last year, pretty sure they are P5. If we get 6 more wins in conference next year I won't be complaining.
I wasn't saying they weren't talented, I was saying that they were a terrible team with that same talent. So you can see an enormous difference between a coach like Ford and Underwood.
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M tipping over
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When the noise became the signal?
He won in a small conference, great. Let's see him do it here before you build his statue. You missed my point. My point wasn't to diminish his coaching ability. My point was to point out his coaching ability at a P5 level job remains to be seen. Success in a small conference doesn't necessarily translate into P5 success. If it did Bruce Webber would still be here. Also, I don't care at all that his SFA teams put up a fight in the NCAA tournament. It's the biggest game of their life. I'd be more surprised if they didn't.
Wooten from highlights looks to be more of a 4 in the Leron Black mode. Really good wingspan and pretty athletic. Put some weight on him and he could be a force.
Instead of THE UNIVERSITY of Illinois kissing the HIGH SCHOOL coaches of Chicago he wants to flip that around. It all starts with a culture change at the top I.E. head coach. If other head coaches and universities can do it so can we... we've just become so accustomed to losing that no one really thinks this is feable... it is...
With that being said, he will contact them in good time.
blackdog
- Champaign
You must have missed this last season at Oklahoma State, which happens to be in the Big 12, which happens to be a P5 school, where he took them from a terrible season to the NCAA in one year.
So you don't care that his teams actually showed up to play in "the biggest game of their life"? Seems to me that was missing from the Groce era teams. They didn't even show up to play most of the conference games until the second half.
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BananaShampoo
Captain 'Paign
- Phoenix, AZ
BU has won everywhere he's been. The same can't be said for Groce aside from one flash in the pan magical season for JG at Ohio. They had vastly different resumes before becoming head coach at Illinois and I'll take BU's any day over Groce's.
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It sounds like that good time came right after Henricksen's article hit the internet.
Meh, all the tough talk about "we do not need them, they need us," and "they should be kissing up to us," etc. These coaches are associated with some of the most powerful HS and AAU programs not only in Chicago, but Illinois/US and attract talent from the whole state, not just Chicago. Joe Henricksen said the exact same thing today.
These programs send players to some of the best programs in the nation, while we remain irrelevant for the last 12 years. They are not losing any sleep or getting ready to kiss up to us.
mattcoldagelli
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Except Groce didn't have any really good years at Ohio.
No one is building a statue, but BU has earned his chance, and some posters are nitpicking every little thing without even letting him coach one game here. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
A coach also doesn't need P5 success to be successful at the P5 level. Archie Miller doesn't have P5 success and Mark Few doesn't have P5 success. You can reasonably believe a coach will do well somewhere even if they have not had several seasons of P5 success
Personally, it's not just that he won at OSU, it's how he distinguished himself. No. 6 scoring offense, no. 1 in efficiency. That tells me it wasn't just a spike in talent or some lucky bounces. He has a system. A tangible plan to win ball games that is better than what most other coaches have. I'm optimistic. Would love some recruiting dominoes to fall our way though. We're due.
Exactly. He checks every box with flying colors for me except recruiting, however, the OA hire gives me more confidence in that area.
Not too projected, picked in preseason 8th out of 10 teams.
mattcoldagelli
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Context matters, I guess. If, say next year we start slow but finish strong and get in as a 7 (basically, Oklahoma State 2016-17) and make S16, yeah you're feeling good about that year. But if we'd beaten Rutgers, made a play-in game, and then caught lightning in a bottle for the opening weekend, do you think everyone would be calling that a successful season? I don't.
I should probably walk this back a little - Groce's 2011-12 team went 11-5 in conference and finished 29-8.
it's WEBER!
Coach Henson came straight from New Mexico State
Oklahoma State got in as a 10 seed and did not reach S16, you pretty much describe Michigan this year, not Oklahoma State.
Personally, I would have called a S16 a successful year. If we sneak into the tournament next year and reach the S16, I would also consider it a very successful year. The only time I would not consider a S16 a successful year would be if we were projected as a top 5 team going into the season and lost to a lower seed. And even then, I'd have to consider the rest of the season.
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