I lean this way as well. Groce kissed more than their rings for 4 years and where did it get him?
Win and they'll be kissing ours.
Exactly. I'm goodnight with respecting them etc but that's it.
Dress for the job you want.
I lean this way as well. Groce kissed more than their rings for 4 years and where did it get him?
Win and they'll be kissing ours.
Either he or Cameron Johnson could fill in nicely at that 3 spot. If it ultimately turns out we traded Pickett for one of those guys I'd be ok with that, even though I like Pickett more than most.
Brad is doing exactly what every coach should. WE are Illinois. WE are the ones who will be expecting the greetings and school trips to the University. Winning all starts with culture change.
The point remains he hasn't done anything noteworthy as a P5 head coach, and he's being talked up like the second coming of Coach K on this board. If you don't consider a college team with two NBA players on its roster as talented , then I don't know what to tell you.
lol - Henricksen - "I've heard about a plethora of phone calls from Champaign to Chicago in the last 12 hours .."
If you can win 98% of your conference games in any conference you're doing great. You're doing great because you're competing with similar talent and that proves your coaching chops.
So saying he won at a non P5 does not diminish his coaching ability. Yea, if he would of coached the same SFA team in the ACC they probably wouldn't have done so well.
But you could say the same if a successful P5 team (Kentucky, Duke, etc.) played in a league with greater and more talent such as the NBA. They wouldn't win as many games, but that would not diminish the coaches coaching ability. The fact of the matter is, if you can win the majority of your game in the conference you play in on a consistent basis you're probably a good coach.
And by the way, those SFA teams put up a hell of a fight against really good P5 teams if I recall in the big dance.
Either he or Cameron Johnson could fill in nicely at that 3 spot. If it ultimately turns out we traded Pickett for one of those guys I'd be ok with that, even though I like Pickett more than most.
Huh? Please explain.
He won in a small conference, great. Let's see him do it here before you build his statue. You missed my point. My point wasn't to diminish his coaching ability. My point was to point out his coaching ability at a P5 level job remains to be seen. Success in a small conference doesn't necessarily translate into P5 success. If it did Bruce Webber would still be here. Also, I don't care at all that his SFA teams put up a fight in the NCAA tournament. It's the biggest game of their life. I'd be more surprised if they didn't.
He won in a small conference, great. Let's see him do it here before you build his statue. You missed my point. My point wasn't to diminish his coaching ability. My point was to point out his coaching ability at a P5 level job remains to be seen. Success in a small conference doesn't necessarily translate into P5 success. If it did Bruce Webber would still be here. Also, I don't care at all that his SFA teams put up a fight in the NCAA tournament. It's the biggest game of their life. I'd be more surprised if they didn't.
I'm hesitant to put too much stock into one year. See John Groce at Ohio.
Instead of THE UNIVERSITY of Illinois kissing the HIGH SCHOOL coaches of Chicago he wants to flip that around. It all starts with a culture change at the top I.E. head coach. If other head coaches and universities can do it so can we... we've just become so accustomed to losing that no one really thinks this is feable... it is...
With that being said, he will contact them in good time.
Instead of THE UNIVERSITY of Illinois kissing the HIGH SCHOOL coaches of Chicago he wants to flip that around. It all starts with a culture change at the top I.E. head coach. If other head coaches and universities can do it so can we... we've just become so accustomed to losing that no one really thinks this is feable... it is...
With that being said, he will contact them in good time.
I'm hesitant to put too much stock into one year. See John Groce at Ohio.
He has a better resume, yes, but it's still a resume without any significant P5 success. Webber had an amazing resume. So, again, let's see him do it a P5 level before we build that statue.
Personally, it's not just that he won at OSU, it's how he distinguished himself. No. 6 scoring offense, no. 1 in efficiency. That tells me it wasn't just a spike in talent or some lucky bounces. He has a system. A tangible plan to win ball games that is better than what most other coaches have. I'm optimistic. Would love some recruiting dominoes to fall our way though. We're due.
That Oklahoma State team lost 6 seniors heading into Ford's last year including their best player. They were projected to be markedly improved no matter who took the job.
Gonn have to call BS on that. If Illinois had squeaked into the tournament and made the Sweet 16 you'd have been hard pressed to find posters on this board saying that it wasn't a successful season.
He has a better resume, yes, but it's still a resume without any significant P5 success. Webber had an amazing resume. So, again, let's see him do it a P5 level before we build that statue.
Context matters, I guess. If, say next year we start slow but finish strong and get in as a 7 (basically, Oklahoma State 2016-17) and make S16, yeah you're feeling good about that year. But if we'd beaten Rutgers, made a play-in game, and then caught lightning in a bottle for the opening weekend, do you think everyone would be calling that a successful season? I don't.
I should probably walk this back a little - Groce's 2011-12 team went 11-5 in conference and finished 29-8.