If we don't land Smith then BU will get Moore or Hardy to replace not having him.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April 2017)
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While I think Calipari is an elite coach, saying "he gets kids to the league" is giving him more credit than he deserves. He recruits the best players. The NBA Knows who can play before they leave high school. With AAU and all the other avenues of evaluation, there are few surprises.
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Exactly! We have put kids in the NBA that have talent also. Myers, DWill, Dee, Roger, Luther. Talent is the overall issue. If you have NBA talent and people think of you as a one and done you will get drafted.
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Arguments can be made on both sides, but a lot of egos and self fulfilling motivations cloud the debate. The formation of the prep and academy schools have created a monster imo. Josh Jackson from Kansas was the #1 rated player in the country as a sophomore despite playing for a small school in Detroit. He bolted for a prep school, but why? Miles Bridges left a Michigan high school for one as well. These guys, and likely every player in their situation would have been able to pick their college without fleeing their high schools for a prep/academy. I've heard the argument that their games will develop by playing better competition, they get more exposure, (ESPN, tournaments, etc...) and can play in much more aggressive schedules as the more restrictive game limits, travel distances, and practice allotments of the state sanctioned schools are avoided. Not a bad list of benefits, which obviously must dwarf any loyalty to their high schools, communities, and friends. My point being this learned behavior starts even before high school as they're wooed by AAU teams, to prep/academy schools. It's all about their path and loyalty gets beat out!
College coaches in the major sports that can sell national championships ALONG with a proven track record of getting guys to the show are at the top of this phenom, and unfortunately Illinois has to swim with the masses and fight the very few blue blood sharks that can deliver the above. It is very sad though that these kids and their handlers don't realize how a loaded class with just kids from our state could enable Illinois to bite the sharks, compete for championships, and provide league opportunities for their kids! On top of that, actually show some loyalty, and go down in Illinois legacy.
In BU and the boys I trust!
College coaches in the major sports that can sell national championships ALONG with a proven track record of getting guys to the show are at the top of this phenom, and unfortunately Illinois has to swim with the masses and fight the very few blue blood sharks that can deliver the above. It is very sad though that these kids and their handlers don't realize how a loaded class with just kids from our state could enable Illinois to bite the sharks, compete for championships, and provide league opportunities for their kids! On top of that, actually show some loyalty, and go down in Illinois legacy.
In BU and the boys I trust!
Cal gets kids to the league? No , these kids would be in the league already if not for the 1 and done rule. The only thing he should be applauded for is basically getting a new team every year and getting them to act like a team. He's not a god.
Moore and Smith
Would Underwood take both Smith and Moore?
Would Underwood take both Smith and Moore?
That pic also looks like it might just be a guard break down.
Are these real questions?
He doesn't know what he's doing if he won't.
foby
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Well, devils advocate to this........he often helps to solidify their lottery status and gets them in a higher position in the draft. By no means a fan of UK, but it is what it is.
I think he is really shady. But his college record is unbelievable. UMass had one 5 star and made the FF and won 38 games. Before Cal got there they had won 5 games....over the last two seasons.
The guy can coach he can recruit and he motivates guys to play at the high end of their spectrum. He is a very good coach.
What Cal do is show the NBA that those elite recruits can be team players. That helps their already elite status.
foby
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They said this in the 30 for 30 too, but looking up UMASS it is just not true. This happened 8 years before he took the job. They were 10-17 before he arrived, and had not had a winning season since 77-78.
foby
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Jamal Murray and Tyler Ulis. They did not have "elite" status. They were not projected as high draft picks as they ended up being.
Water is wet and the sky is blue, too.
But I hear what you're saying. There's definitely a pedigree associated with playing for that program that makes NBA clubs sit up straighter.
So where are you going to get better, practicing against future NBA talent or a team of just college level talent? As far as games, how many games do you play against real NBA talent? (not counting tournament) I can't stand Calipari or the Kentucky program but it's hard to argue someone shouldn't go there and would be better off at another school.
Dren1
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FWIW, it looks like Jamal Murray was the 10th rated recruit by RSCI in 2015 and Tyler Ulis was the 19th rated recruit in 2014. They were drafted 7th and 34th respectively in 2016.
1. I have always thought that Illinois has suffered from this due to location. Being over 2 hours away from both STL and Chicago hurts us. Growing up in the St. Louis metro east, I can say that Mizzou feels like the "state school" just as much, if not more than Illinois. The STL media goes out of their way to promote Mizzou, and we don't exactly have Chicago doing that for us.
2. I think people on this board are somewhat misreading the playing time situation here vs MSU. He's going to get minutes at both places as a freshman. I don't think he's going to walk in here and be "the man" at either school.
3. You By going to Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc it's easier to get exposure and thus make a name for yourself. They have decades of great history and players. As a recruit you know you're much more likely to go to the NBA or win a championship at these schools. It's a tough sell when you're trying to get a 17/18 yr old kid to take the past less traveled.
foby
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Yeah, looked it up later. I guess I am suffering from revisionist history syndrome. LOL. Cal is not the god I thought.
Mark will have a hard time getting 10 minutes per game at MSU. He will have an opportunity to play 25 plus mpg at Illinois. There is just no comparison.
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I would take Hardy over Moore, doesn't have to sit out, hates MU and MSU, and already bigger and stronger then Moore. For me Moore would be a back up to the back up plan, just have never been impressed with him in all the games I have seen. yeah maybe I saw all the games he stunk in
Hyperbole much? I think BU can make his own decisions.
Anyway, I don't see us getting Smith at this point, but that's complete speculation on my part. Moore, I don't see as a great fit, personally. That's based on his play, though, not his skill set. From what I can tell, and I readily admit I'm still getting acquainted with his system, the #1 emphasis is offensive efficiency, via a variety of reads that challenge the opposing defense to react and to execute. Do we have info that we're recruiting him?
Dren1
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NP - I recalled that Murray was pretty highly rated as we were supposedly in the picture with him due to Ford's Canadian pipeline, but I was surprised to see that Ulis was top 20.
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