Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April 2018)

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I know this is a point of comparison, but why does it matter? If the staff sees this kid as an impact player, previous JUCO players should not factor into our decision. And JUCO guys have been making impacts. Some were discussed in the thread yesterday. The pool of those guys is smaller, but its not like JUCO guys aren't having success and helping elevate programs. PG from Houston this year was a JUCO kid.

You kind of summed it up at the end.

This. Plus, OA really, really knows Feliz. I highly doubt we'd be considering dropping our pursuit of Ramey if staff didn't consider Feliz the goods.
 
#627      
Iowa City
Actually I think it only matters insofar as people are throwing around "#1 juco PG in the nation" as if thats more meaningful than it probably is. Pretty sure Ramey has faced a significantly higher level of competition in AAU for the past couple of years.

You are 100% correct, the "#1 juco pg in the nation" title doesn't mean anything. And should not be a factor to base the recruitment off of. I could be the #1juco pg in the nation, it would just mean all the other juco pgs are really bad. We could also apply that theory to Illinois Mr Basketball. Awards or rankings are great for headlines, but all that matters is the evaluation of the player by the staff.
 
#628      
CU Expat
Chicago
Actually I think it only matters insofar as people are throwing around "#1 juco PG in the nation" as if thats more meaningful than it probably is. Pretty sure Ramey has faced a significantly higher level of competition in AAU for the past couple of years.

The success Feliz has had at the youth international level is encouraging to me. I don't think that level is as high as something like the EYBL, but Feliz was dominant at the U19 FIBA tournament: https://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/..._/2015_FIBA_U19_World_Championship/index.html
 
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I think if we go through the weekend with no news on Feliz then the staff feels optimistic with the chance of landing Ramey. Either way, this class has come together nicely!
 
#630      
Ramey is a guy that can come in and instantly play 20+ minutes, probably takes a ton of PT away from guys like DMW/AJ. Feliz comes in and gives you 15+ minutes if needed. They might play the same position, but their impact on this team would be significantly different. Anyone who thinks we should take Feliz over Ramey is just wrong, but that said, if Feliz is ready to commit, you let him pull the trigger.
 
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one has to think Feliz may actually be the better option due to international experience already? :chief:

No. One does not have to assume that. Now, he may be the more realistic option, but I put a good amount of money on Ramey being the better player, and better option.
 
#632      
To me Ramey is the far better option, but I think Feliz would contribute next year if we go that route. Just have to temper those expectations. The numbers 19.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.5 apg, 38.7 3-pt% mean anything to anyone? Those were Alstork's numbers at Wright St. his junior year.
 
#633      
Last PG out of Northwest Florida State to make an HM impact was Chris Jones at Louisville. Feliz broke a lot of Jones' former records.
Before people jump on this, yes Jones' had off court issues, but look at on court only.
 
#634      
Actually I think it only matters insofar as people are throwing around "#1 juco PG in the nation" as if thats more meaningful than it probably is. Pretty sure Ramey has faced a significantly higher level of competition in AAU for the past couple of years.

There's a handful of Juco (Division 1) programs in the nation that compete annually for Juco National Championships. Northwest Florida State is one of those schools, along with the school Brangers played for South Plains College. The kids (some grown men) that play in these programs are recruited from all over the country and are good basketball players.

As for Feliz specifically, he played against some of the best young talent in the World at the U19, where he had some of the best stats of any player:

A. Feliz (DOM)
PPG 18.9
RPG 5
ORPG 1.6
DRPG 3.4
ASPG 3.7
FG2P% 54.5%
FG3P% 32%
FT% 63.2%

At Northwest Florida State his number looked like this:
PPG 20
RPG 5.7
ASPG 6.1
FG2P% 61.1%
FG3P% 41.8
FT% 77.2

So I wouldn't say that Ramey has faced a significantly higher level of competition in AAU. Now I'm not saying Feliz is as good as Ramey, but I am saying he has played against good competition consistently.


JUCO College Divisions Reference:
Division I (schools like Nortwest Florida State, South Plains, etc)
Colleges may grant full athletic scholarships (tuition, books, fees, room & board), up to $250 in course required supplies and transportation costs one time per academic year to and from the college by direct route. Each sport has limits on the number of scholarships that can be granted.

Division II (schools like Parkland, DACC, etc)
Colleges may grant athletic scholarships, but scholarships are limited to tuition, books, fees and up to $250 in course required supplies. Each sport has limits on the number of scholarships that can be granted.

Division III
Colleges are not permitted to offer any athletic scholarships
 
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#636      
I always enjoy when adults anonymously exclaim "We will not be slow played!" when an 18 year old's timeline does not sync up with their own. :D
 
#637      
Bonnaroo Land
So what if the top ten list is just a tip of the hat to all the schools that have showed him love when he's on the verge of a decision because the signing period starts Tuesday? Just because there are 10 schools on the list doesn't mean he's considering all of those schools at this time.

It probably does, and all my beach houses are on L'ville here.
 
#639      
Unfortunately there's just kinda no two ways around the fact that Feliz doesn't have any other offers.

If he's coming I say bienvenidos y buena suerte, but I wouldn't be expecting a cornerstone type contributor.
 
#640      
CU Expat
Chicago
As for Feliz specifically, he played against some of the best young talent in the World at the U19, where he had some of the best stats of any player:

A. Feliz (DOM)
PPG 18.9
RPG 5
ORPG 1.6
DRPG 3.4
ASPG 3.7
FG2P% 54.5%
FG3P% 32%
FT% 63.2%

I'd love to get insight from someone who follows youth international basketball. At that event, he played against Serbia, Greece, Korea, Italy, Argentina, Tunisia, and Iran. Do those countries have some of the best U19 talent in the world? Maybe a couple do, but I wish he would have played against the US. I know how good team was (Brunson, Giles, Tatum, Jaren Jackson...).
 
#641      
If he's coming I say bienvenidos y buena suerte, but I wouldn't be expecting a cornerstone type contributor.

I don't think most are expecting cornerstone, but a solid contributor who has a respectable jump shot and can dish out dimes, is what's needed. Emphasis on the respectable jump shot.
 
#642      
I'm sure this is mentioned, but it seems that Alan Griffin is a stud. Why does he not have many good offers?
 
#643      
Bonnaroo Land
I don't think most are expecting cornerstone, but a solid contributor who has a respectable jump shot and can dish out dimes, is what's needed. Emphasis on the respectable jump shot.

And play D, but exactly.
 
#644      
Winged Warrior
For the the best JUCO PG you can sign, go to The General and save some time!

I’ll show myself out.
 
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