Can't argue with that but that doesn't mean that he's a top recruit. I don't know too much about the kid but his stats weren't that impressive. Seems like another project. He's definitely got enough size to be a high caliber big though. I doubt he's a plan A guy but maybe the staff is learning from past mistakes.
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Uh, not in any way shape, form, or fashion, unless you consider one team carrying the entire conference, which Villanova has so ably done. But the rest of the conference . . . . not so much. Tables show conference final rankings, regular season, AP poll.
sacraig
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It doesn't mean anything. It's just people making word soup out of commonly-spouted phrases on the boards.
In all likelihood, the non-conspiracy, non-pipedream version of what is going on is that hiring Coleman, among other things, helped repair what was a broken relationship with MIF. Really, they don't choose where their players go, but they do act as gatekeepers and advisors, so being in their good graces is still a big deal. It is still on our staff to build a successful relationship with recruits and close the deal.
Tacomallini
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I liked this post before reading the last paragraph. I agree with everything else.
House is not on fire. I'm starting to believe you were related to Mark Smith.
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Well, you should direct your disdain to the people on the board making excuses and not to the staff then.
That's true. It burned down years ago.
Yeah man a couple years ago, Groce toasted it from the inside out. Or Mike Thomas actually.
Joel Goodson
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This post should automatically pop up whenever someone refers to the MIF pipeline. Make it happen, Dan!
Everyone knows the train started to derail when Weber couldn't recruit consistently. Then we thought we hired a younger coach that could get it done but he got out coached and out recruited. We gave him plenty of time before we wrote him off(I did anyways)so why not give these coaches we have now a chance before we burn them down while they are trying to rebuild the dumpster fire Mike Thomas made. The fact that he inherited a team the polar opposite of what he likes and had to secure the recruits that were already on board from the previous staff doesn't help the rebuild. Of course a lot of the players don't fit the mold so he has to start clean. The guys still here are obviously committed to what the coach demands while the others chose to go elsewhere because they don't share the same philosophy. Everything combined is how we got here. We shouldnt EXPECT to close out any top recruits until we start winning more. Now that we have just 1 player from the previous coaching staff old bad habits and negative/conflicting philosophies should wither away this year. I'm willing to bet the guys that transferred out were not helping the team chemistry if they didn't fit the mold/style that was demanded. Once we get a whole roster of players recruited by this staff and this class of Ayo, Jones, Kane, Griffin, Giorgi, and Higgs are upperclassmen you guys can dog this staff all you want. Until then all this criticism is completely unwarranted considering where they started. I have a feeling by then your mouths will be too full of crow to speak for months. Go ILLINI!
Ryllini
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You are right and that is what I said, there is no pipeline. Right of first refusal is the advisors and gate keepers will let us in, but the rest is up to the staff and players UI is interested in. My understanding, that has not always been the case.
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Don't believe we can judge BUs recruiting until we see the results of this season. Pieces look good on clips and he has a base of 2 sr., 1 Jr., and 2 sophs to build on (assuming Adonis can play). If he can't elevate to Groces level of wins with this team then we should be discouraged. Believe a class of Timme, Jones, or Cockburn would be a success at that point. Will not be satisfied with a below 9th place BIG finish.
mattcoldagelli
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“You aren’t backing up your facts with any articles, but also I do not believe any articles because they are ‘hit-seeking’ please just somebody tell me things that I want to hear and don’t have to think about.”
Seems to be two main camps. Those who are optimistic and think BU and co. are moving in the right direction and that there's light at the end of the tunnel. And those who are not encouraged by what they've seen thus far. While everyone has their own individual opinions with some facts thrown in now and again, ultimately, it's just what people believe versus what others believe. Is the goal here to try and convince others to agree with your view, or is it to try and make others feel bad because they don't agree with you? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but this is just a forum for Illini sports fans. Are there any posters who can actually make an impact to the current situation, such as firing BU, controlling which recruits get official visits, etc.? Lastly, my guess is that anyone who is actually involved with the current coaching staff most likely doesn't read this forum. I could be wrong though!
Shouldn't the real goal of posting on this forum be simply contributing to a discussion about Illini sports where folks learn new things?
Shouldn't the real goal of posting on this forum be simply contributing to a discussion about Illini sports where folks learn new things?
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I must be in the minority on this board. My initial thought was BU was going to have to come in and establish a winning culture (above .500) with average players. Then he would have the ability to get a better caliber recruit. The team would take a step forward. Recruiting would take a step forward. This would take 3 years at least. Does it suck, yes. But you cannot develop a winning culture in one year.
Yes keep going after big time recruits. It keeps Illinois relevant at least a little to keep seeing them in top 10s. When we become a legit team, we will get legit recruits.
But I must be crazy
Yes keep going after big time recruits. It keeps Illinois relevant at least a little to keep seeing them in top 10s. When we become a legit team, we will get legit recruits.
But I must be crazy
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Uhhhh I just come here to post pointless gifs
You are in a minority on this board, as you can see by perusing people's thoughts here: https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/official-2017-18-season-prediction-thread.24045/
(Just glancing through that thread it didn't appear that you personally made a prediction, I was hoping to catch you lol
)You will also be in a minority on this board for this coming season when the same thread comes back around.
Where you are in the comfortable majority on this board is in the conviction that when a new coach is hired, the correct attitude is to display a lobotomized contentedness about absolutely anything that occurs for three to four years, and at that point to turn to vituperative scorn and demands that that coach be fired.
Where I apparently represent a minority on this board is lacking this belief that the word "rebuild" is some magical spell which totally eliminates any ability to analyze any signposts toward future success. It's like a smoke bomb, throw the word "rebuild" out there and all of a sudden all is shrouded in mystery and no truth can be gleaned until the smoke clears. And I think that's wrong. I think you see the progress all along the way.
I have great respect for those who say "we hustled and didn't quit last year, it was better basketball than I've watched in years" in response. I just don't agree.
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These are not mutually exclusive. There are some, myself included, who are in both camps.
That's a good point. Kudos to DePaul for bringing in this type of talent, as their program has been down for years. I guess there may be some appeal to playing in Chicago, and having games locally televised for family and friends. However, playing in the Big 10, along with national exposure of the Big 10 Network, as well as, having nationally televised games on the major networks and ESPN in a brand new State Farm Center would in my mind be preferable. The ease of having family and friends attend Chicago games vs the drive to Champaign is of course a plus in DePaul's favor. I guess it all boils down to what the young man is comfortable with.
You are in a minority on this board, as you can see by perusing people's thoughts here: https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/official-2017-18-season-prediction-thread.24045/
(Just glancing through that thread it didn't appear that you personally made a prediction, I was hoping to catch you lol
You will also be in a minority on this board for this coming season when the same thread comes back around.
Where you are in the comfortable majority on this board is in the conviction that when a new coach is hired, the correct attitude is to display a lobotomized contentedness about absolutely anything that occurs for three to four years, and at that point to turn to vituperative scorn and demands that that coach be fired.
Where I apparently represent a minority on this board lacking this belief that the word "rebuild" is some magical spell which totally eliminates any ability to analyze any signposts toward future success. It's like a smoke bomb, throw the word "rebuild" out there and all of a sudden all is shrouded in mystery and no truth can be gleaned until the smoke clears. And I think that's wrong. I think you see the progress all along the way.
I have great respect for those who say "we hustled and didn't quit last year, it was better basketball than I've watched in years" in response. I just don't agree.
I’d argue that the majority of the board actually don’t post.
Agree but that’s not really my point.
AKA The "I'm never wrong camp"
TyinLex
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You are in a minority on this board, as you can see by perusing people's thoughts here: https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/Forum/threads/official-2017-18-season-prediction-thread.24045/
(Just glancing through that thread it didn't appear that you personally made a prediction, I was hoping to catch you lol
You will also be in a minority on this board for this coming season when the same thread comes back around.
Where you are in the comfortable majority on this board is in the conviction that when a new coach is hired, the correct attitude is to display a lobotomized contentedness about absolutely anything that occurs for three to four years, and at that point to turn to vituperative scorn and demands that that coach be fired.
Where I apparently represent a minority on this board is lacking this belief that the word "rebuild" is some magical spell which totally eliminates any ability to analyze any signposts toward future success. It's like a smoke bomb, throw the word "rebuild" out there and all of a sudden all is shrouded in mystery and no truth can be gleaned until the smoke clears. And I think that's wrong. I think you see the progress all along the way.
I have great respect for those who say "we hustled and didn't quit last year, it was better basketball than I've watched in years" in response. I just don't agree.
Put. The. Keyboard. Away. Thank you.
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