Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (December 2020)

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While some may be overlooking the Transfer Portal, there are others who are following with tempered optimism and / or overvaluing the unknown that is to come, believing that it will help to fix what has thus far been a bust on the recruiting trail - all love and loyalty to Goode, btw.

Bad years happen, and save for special circumstances / team needs, a bad year is still very much that; the talent is not coming. The many misses coupled with the dearth of remaining prep players and our projected departures, made this a terrible year to brick. Yes, it is only December, but the staff failed to capitalize on the program's resurgence and the hype created by '19-'20 and '20-'21 teams ... hype that should have been good enough to secure LOIs from Top-50s / 100s. The staff is now in an unenviable position of operating with a very small margin of error to creatively address team needs in a shortened recruiting lifecycle.

Perhaps some who have full faith in this year's Transfer Portal look to it as more of a cure without accounting for the fact that we are still going to be recruiting against the top programs for the top talent. The Portal, like the prep trail, is a highly competitive market where recruiting reigns supreme. It serves as a viable option to augment prep classes and add positional depth; it is not, however, a one-stop shop for repairing a busted recruiting class. Admittedly, this Spring is going to be different from than any we have seen - even if the expected talent boon is only a feint uptick from the norm - so saddle up. Although impossible to predict, will talent be there? And if so, will the staff be able to shake off the collective sting of its misses this Fall and downshift to a new gear?

Oddly enough, optimism is not dead. There are a few intriguing prep wings still available to go with those in the Top-30 who have yet to announce but with whom we have no shot. There is also a player already in the Portal who fits our needs (as we fit his) and checks a "big" box. Whether he is an anomaly, represents the ceiling / prize of the class, or a positive sign of the talent to come, Will Baker is a welcomed addition to the Portal. Unless there is a [recruiting] coup in the works, it would be surprising if the staff does not go all-in here, as they are not in a position to pass; Baker and two wings would palatable. The staff knows this and is no doubt silently at work forecasting various markets / signing scenarios, creating plans of attack, as well as prepping contingencies ... and contingencies for those contingencies ... as we wait impatiently. Until more materializes, what are "your" expectations regarding how the Portal will fill out / predictions for the players who will be filling it?
We have 2? Transfers on team? JG playing, but not significant . Feliz was a great transfer. Staff has had better luck with HS recruits and would be surprised if they change the plan from this, and would only be out of necessity.
Seems like Huggins had success at kstate with lower ranked kids who fit the culture, and that’s who the staff needs to find now. Where is a Jacob pullen??
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
I fail to see how any of this means that one "poor" recruiting cycle means more than it used to (quotes because this one isn't even over). Even then, it cuts both ways. Maybe we will lose more people per year to transfers, but so will every other team. The transfer portal is likely to be a lot higher quality than in years past.
With more players, it may be higher quality. It’s pretty obvious that the demand for those players will be equally higher. In our wildest dreams maybe we can become “Kentucky light”. What does one bad recruiting year do to Kentucky? I also never said the recruiting year was over and it was a poor year.
 
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We have 2? Transfers on team? JG playing, but not significant . Feliz was a great transfer. Staff has had better luck with HS recruits and would be surprised if they change the plan from this, and would only be out of necessity.
Seems like Huggins had success at kstate with lower ranked kids who fit the culture, and that’s who the staff needs to find now. Where is a Jacob pullen??
Huggins was at KState for one season. May want to use his model at Cincinnati to paint the picture.
 
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ginabackes00

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How has COVID impacted the relationship building with recruits? to Me, non-blue blood teams that are similar to Illinois, would be at a greater disadvantage recruiting against bluebloods under the current pandemic.
 
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sacraig

The desert
With more players, it may be higher quality. It’s pretty obvious that the demand for those players will be equally higher. In our wildest dreams maybe we can become “Kentucky light”. What does one bad recruiting year do to Kentucky? I also never said the recruiting year was over and it was a poor year.

Sure but that doesn't move the needle, in my opinion. It seems it's just two competitive markets to fill more total slots year over year. Time will tell, but I don't think the importance of recruiting chances either direction. It will just look a little different.
 
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How has COVID impacted the relationship building with recruits? to Me, non-blue blood teams that are similar to Illinois, would be at a greater disadvantage recruiting against bluebloods under the current pandemic.
Makes logical sense except when you recall that our losses included Memphis, DePaul and Creighton
 
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Makes logical sense except when you recall that our losses included Memphis, DePaul and Creighton
Whether he can coach or not is still tbd but Memphis, with Penny, is recruiting at blue blood levels. Creighton has been a better program than us for a decade, fun style and the big East is a very competitive conference. Only outlier in my mind is DePaul, which may or may not be doing things above board.

Hopefully we can land a fast rising, athletic big who sees an opportunity to shine playing with Cuerbello. I was jealous of the way Baylor’s bigs operated in the pick and roll. Can’t remember the last player like that we had.
 
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Whether he can coach or not is still tbd but Memphis, with Penny, is recruiting at blue blood levels. Creighton has been a better program than us for a decade, fun style and the big East is a very competitive conference. Only outlier in my mind is DePaul, which may or may not be doing things above board.

IMO, Creighton should be considered like DePaul...not necessarily doing things "above board". They were, after all and to my knowledge, listed in the FBI probe for paying players.
 
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From watching some of the better teams the last two weeks. I'd say we need another 6-4 to 6-6 player who can handle the ball well to add to Curbello and Miller. Also need another hybrid center and bruiser down low. Damonte is being asked to do a lot to guard the 250 lbs down low. Hawkins looks great as a future stretch 4 and small ball center. But need another one who is more physical. Villanova and now Baylor seem to do this well over the last several years.
 
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From watching some of the better teams the last two weeks. I'd say we need another 6-4 to 6-6 player who can handle the ball well to add to Curbello and Miller. Also need another hybrid center and bruiser down low. Damonte is being asked to do a lot to guard the 250 lbs down low. Hawkins looks great as a future stretch 4 and small ball center. But need another one who is more physical. Villanova and now Baylor seem to do this well over the last several years.
I like Damonte a lot, but agree. I feel like a legit 4 (6-7 to 6-9) that could defend & rebound would help keep Kofi out of foul trouble also. This recruiting cycle is worrisome but I would have to see a trend over multiple years to really question the staffs ability. If you’re able to make a run this year, I think you could find some of those other pieces you need for next year on the transfer market. They don’t have to be stars, just solid players to fit the holes you have.
 
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I like Damonte a lot, but agree. I feel like a legit 4 (6-7 to 6-9) that could defend & rebound would help keep Kofi out of foul trouble also. This recruiting cycle is worrisome but I would have to see a trend over multiple years to really question the staffs ability. If you’re able to make a run this year, I think you could find some of those other pieces you need for next year on the transfer market. They don’t have to be stars, just solid players to fit the holes you have.
Agree, hopefully CH can do some of that for us, BBV if he ever gets healthy
 
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From watching some of the better teams the last two weeks. I'd say we need another 6-4 to 6-6 player who can handle the ball well to add to Curbello and Miller. Also need another hybrid center and bruiser down low. Damonte is being asked to do a lot to guard the 250 lbs down low. Hawkins looks great as a future stretch 4 and small ball center. But need another one who is more physical. Villanova and now Baylor seem to do this well over the last several years.
Hawkins is 6'10" ... small ball he is not... ijs...
 
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I like Damonte a lot, but agree. I feel like a legit 4 (6-7 to 6-9) that could defend & rebound would help keep Kofi out of foul trouble also. This recruiting cycle is worrisome but I would have to see a trend over multiple years to really question the staffs ability. If you’re able to make a run this year, I think you could find some of those other pieces you need for next year on the transfer market. They don’t have to be stars, just solid players to fit the holes you have.
I think this is Hawkins and hopefully BBV at some point. Goode may also help with some size and maybe ex-football toughness. However in the short term looks like Hawkins and Grandison will be needed when we are facing teams with a big four which is most of them.
 
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If you’re able to make a run this year, I think you could find some of those other pieces you need for next year on the transfer market. They don’t have to be stars, just solid players to fit the holes you have.
Watching Baylor made me feel a bit better about the possibility of relying a bit more than we'd like on the transfer market for next year. If you're good in the moment and can show a path to maintain that level with a transfer's addition (like Baylor was able to), I think you're far more likely to snag the impact guys. We were able to get two solid ones (hopefully Hutch can come back and be more than that, but who knows) when we weren't good, so I feel hopeful that this spring could be more fruitful.
 
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I think this is Hawkins and hopefully BBV at some point. Goode may also help with some size and maybe ex-football toughness. However in the short term looks like Hawkins and Grandison will be needed when we are facing teams with a big four which is most of them.
Goode had a monster game over the weekend.
 
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Watching Baylor made me feel a bit better about the possibility of relying a bit more than we'd like on the transfer market for next year. If you're good in the moment and can show a path to maintain that level with a transfer's addition (like Baylor was able to), I think you're far more likely to snag the impact guys. We were able to get two solid ones (hopefully Hutch can come back and be more than that, but who knows) when we weren't good, so I feel hopeful that this spring could be more fruitful.

I'm not as against combing the transfer market as most seem to be as the climate is changing but Baylor might not be the best example yet. They have been ahead of the curve on this and seem to be in the first conversation on all high caliber transfers. That being said I expect the staff will exhaust any and all options.
 
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I'm not as against combing the transfer market as most seem to be as the climate is changing but Baylor might not be the best example yet. They have been ahead of the curve on this and seem to be in the first conversation on all high caliber transfers. That being said I expect the staff will exhaust any and all options.

Good point. Probably not realistic to get to their level using that market within just a couple months, but its reassuring to know that it can be done -- you can build a good team despite missing on some recruiting targets. Luckily we have a strong foundation and don't need massive additions (fingers crossed) at the end of the season.
 
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I'm not as against combing the transfer market as most seem to be as the climate is changing but Baylor might not be the best example yet. They have been ahead of the curve on this and seem to be in the first conversation on all high caliber transfers. That being said I expect the staff will exhaust any and all options.
Texas Tech would be a good example. Going back 3-4 years.
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
My only issue with using the transfer market is we have yet to prove we can consistently land impact players. So far Feliz is the only one even though we have been after several each year. Texas Tech and Baylor have shown it can work, but that doesn’t mean it will. When you miss on your top targets, it’s another option that you still have. I’m just skeptical it will be the great equalizer that at least a few believe it will be. I’ll keep my fingers crossed. We should know by late July. 😉
 
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I saw that 24/7 is reporting Illini are in Reggie Bass’ final four. Anyone have a scouting report on this 2022, 6-5 SG? Is he a priority? Looks like he is a high 3*, but might be on the rise.
 
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