Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (January-February 2018)
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And then the same position the next year.
Ebo is a project big, that is looking pretty good right now. Like I said before, not getting project bigs 2-3 years ago hurting us now. Going to be tough to land transfer big, there just isn't many to be had. Hopefully can land Herrard from MSU.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
This was the best start to a post that I've read in some time.
Literally didn't get back off the floor to read the rest for 2 minutes :thumb:
And then, when I did get back up, solid stuff.
But GREAT intro.
We're going after Herard and JUCO guys Alok and Trice. Going all on in 2019 for Okoro
I don't like the proposed immediate eligibility for transfers, or the present grad transfer rule.
Maryland apparently recruits big time out of the U.S. Watching their game this past week it seemed like half of their players are from various other countries outside of the U.S.
blackdog
- Champaign
Agreed you really need at least one big in the pipeline at all times to make sure you have some consistency. At least every other year take a project big to develop. That way you always have one of those experienced upperclassmen that always seems to hurt us so often.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
Get your point and it makes a lot of sense.
Getting technical with this question, but couldn't he enroll at UI a few days late and still be good to go in 2019?
In other words, would he really have to decide in 2 days to be ours, or could this drag out a little longer and still be ok?
icengineer
- Southern Illinois
Thanks, I was going to point out this exact same thing. Let's face it. Most D1 players aren't getting Engineering degrees and likely do just enough to keep their GPA wherever it needs to be to stay eligible. And if someone is doing whatever it takes to keep their GPA above whatever the cutoff is going to be, then they deserve to have the right to transfer in my book. There has to be a standard set, and I agree that the GPA is the correct route to go. This is COLLEGE basketball, after all, isn't it?
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icengineer
- Southern Illinois
Okoro the next year....
Me neither, I do not like either one.
The first will totally destroy the balance of power towards the top basketball schools and really kill revenue in smaller Div. I schools. I would be surprised if it passes.
The grad transfer rule is a farce in its present form. NCAA data shows that graduate transfers have lower graduation rates and are simply making a basketball decision. If you really want to reward academics, let them transfer like regular transfers, sit out a year and give them an extra year of eligibility. Thus they will have 2 years to complete the degree (as most masters take more than a year) and also play out their eligibility. And get rid of the stupid provisions that you have to transfer to a school with a major not available in your school, where players try to find a strange major that they have no interest in, just to play basketball.
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FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
I'm with you on the grad transfer rules. They are a farce.
On the other, I'm not so sure. It bugs me that the coaches come and go, but the students who made a decision to play for that coach have to pay a one year penalty to move along.
In contrast, I see men like AJ who could have moved on, but who have seen it through and are clearly benefitting from being with a program for enough time to improve and get meaningful minutes. I'm really proud of AJ and look at potential transfer rules through his eyes, as I think he has done himself and his school proud.
icengineer
- Southern Illinois
I am okay with an immediately transfer rule if it's tied to the players GPA. That will cut down the numbers significantly but still allow it for those players who prove that school isn't just a means to play ball.
The grad transfer rule, I don't know, yes, it's sort of a farce as it stands. BUT, these guys already have a degree. So what can you do at that point? Yes, l agree, let there be no restrictions. They have their degree, they've gotten their 'education' (NC excepted), reward them with a year to perhaps pursue a Professional Basketball career! Heck, all schools should start a 1 year graduate degree in 'The Pursuing a Professional Sports Career' !!!
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Totally agree!
Peoria Illini
- Peoria, IL
I don't mind the immediate transfer rule. I think it will work both ways. Yes, some smaller schools may lose some players to the high majors if they have a player that is a break out talent. But they'll also get the guys that aren't getting the playing time they want at the high major as well. I would think it would be a wash.
Obviously nobody really knows what would happen, and I could see a lot of different scenarios playing out, but I think the likely end game here is that it would be just plain bad for college bb.
I think the number of transfers would at least double. Maybe not right away but a few years down the road. Offseason would become much more chaotic.
Lots of other, better options besides a sweeping permit to transfer whenever without penalty. I'd propose some sort of transfer window, maybe between March and May, where kids could transfer freely. Penalty for transfers outside that window would be the same as now. I get this is basically what happens now just with a complete freedom for a few months, but I think there has to be some sort of constrain.
IIRC, there was an extensive discussion on this board during the off-season about the merits and shortcomings of immediate transfers. I think one of the consensuses (consensi?) was that it would be a seismic shift for CBB that would change the sport forever, but that the NCAA probably owes it to the student-athletes.
A popular dissenting opinion was that student-athletes are already getting an incredible value for a full-ride scholarship in that they leave school with a degree, and that the NCAA owes student-athletes nothing.
One of the intriguing compromise stipulations IL posters came up with was only letting student-athletes transfer immediately if they had completed two full seasons with their first school.
It was one of our better off-season discussions.
A popular dissenting opinion was that student-athletes are already getting an incredible value for a full-ride scholarship in that they leave school with a degree, and that the NCAA owes student-athletes nothing.
One of the intriguing compromise stipulations IL posters came up with was only letting student-athletes transfer immediately if they had completed two full seasons with their first school.
It was one of our better off-season discussions.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
I don't think you can say that students with good gpa can transfer only during their academic season.
Or do you mean that you declare your intent, but finish out the semester where you are? Wasn't sure.
Has there been any news/update about this? I haven't seen this name mentioned anywhere. Would not be upset if true as he is rated the top JUCO recruit and his highlight video looks nice
We haven't offered. He's been scoured. I think it was Antigua was at the game. No offer was made but there is time. Ryan Evan mentioned it on his Periscope
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