Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)
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That's probably true, but does SLU actually have the facilities, coaching, and competition to turn Goodwin into a NBA caliber pg? I'm not at all familiar with their program. And I feel like Fletch would do a tremendous job at maximizing Goodwin's strength, quickness, explosiveness etc. which would be great for him if he wants to become a pro pg. Also, I would honestly rather see Goodwin fill a Denzel Valentine type role. Technically a sg but capable of playing the point and small forward when needed.
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I wasn't about to try and get the photo cut down (interesting he's in his Meanstreets uni and not LaLu's) but here's his list.
PrepWars @PrepWars 4h4 hours ago 2017 5-star recruit Brian Bowen @20tugs Final 12: Arizona Creighton Indiana Kansas Kentucky Michigan MSU NC State Oregon Texas UCLA UNLV
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Joel Goodson
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Goodwin can get to The League from SLU. Larry Hughes made it. Granted, entirely different player. If Goodwin is convinced he must morph into a PG to have a shot at The League, sadly, SLU is the choice.
And, if it's SLU, we need to pivot and land Lewis. Do that and we're good. If he doesn't commit this week to ISU, we have a darn good shot.
Some more details...
Goodwin was expected to make his move quick and commit (last week). That obviously didn't happen and since has gone dark. Not calling, texting, or responding back in anyway to Illini coaches.
At the same time, Travis Ford is re-tweeting Goodwin, interacting with him (in person) at his games, house, etc. and basically has his ear for now.
Could it just be a delaying tactic? Wait a bit, see what we have to offer, give us a chance, etc...maybe could be
But ppl on the Illini side are perplexed and disturbed at this and are scrambling for plan B, hence securing being on the list of other wings like we saw this past week, trying to re-engage Terrance Lewis, checking in on Nojel Eastern, etc.
It's not good right now.
Goodwin was expected to make his move quick and commit (last week). That obviously didn't happen and since has gone dark. Not calling, texting, or responding back in anyway to Illini coaches.
At the same time, Travis Ford is re-tweeting Goodwin, interacting with him (in person) at his games, house, etc. and basically has his ear for now.
Could it just be a delaying tactic? Wait a bit, see what we have to offer, give us a chance, etc...maybe could be
But ppl on the Illini side are perplexed and disturbed at this and are scrambling for plan B, hence securing being on the list of other wings like we saw this past week, trying to re-engage Terrance Lewis, checking in on Nojel Eastern, etc.
It's not good right now.
I do appreciate you sharing what you're hearing, that's why we all come here. However, the beginning of your statement is a bit perplexing. Why was he "expected to make his move quick and commit (last week)" when he said a few weeks back he was committing on his birthday?
Goodwin will be the starter at the off guard at SLU on opening night if he goes to SLU. He will be the starter at the off guard at Illinois on opening night if he goes to Illinois. SLU can try and sell all they want but Jordan is a smart kid. Ford has to win and having an inexperienced PG is not the answer. Jordan can make the NBA as a guard. Kids a winner and that's what GMs are looking for.
Do people who've seen him a lot actually think he's got the tools to play PG in the NBA? Running screen rolls on O, defending real PGs? I only saw him a couple games at state and I didn't think I was watching PG material, but what do I know. Also, I liked his rebounding -- strong, relentless -- but playing him at point would seem to largely take that part of his game away. Again, what do I know.
Hope he hasn't lost his mind but if so we'll be fine IMO. Like what I'm reading here on status of recruiting.
The belief was that Tilmon, Picket, and the staff were pressing and expecting him to commit asap, and get this all taken care of, very soon after Tilmon committed. His comments were not a concern at the time (him trying to get attention, etc.), but guess that assumption proved to be false.
Joel Goodson
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Goodwin will not make The League as a shooting guard. It's that simple.
OK, I'll hedge a bit. If he markedly improves his outside shot and range, in concert with improving his athleticism, he has a shot. But IBIWISI.
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Joel Goodson
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So, I guess we know what Goodwin's cryptic comment about making a "selfish decision" was about now, yeah? Pure speculation, but I'm guessing he's torn. And the SLU pitch is coming on strong.
Someone needs to give him the cold hard truth.... It doesn't matter if it is UI or SLU the chances of him making the NBA are pretty slim. It is the same problem as his ranking/notoriety/offer list now. He doesn't have the handles of a true PG and he doesn't have a mid 40% outside shot. He has no true position and none of that is likely to change enough to be an NBA talent. That being said the kid is 100% a winner and that is good enough for any college program. He will have a long and prosperous career overseas but making it to the NBA is a difficult thing. Ford can tell him whatever he wants but if Jordan believes he will magically transform him into an NBA player then he doesn't have his head on as straight as we all thought.
End of the story is he needs to get in a room with Dee on campus so that he can get refocused on what he, Tilmon, and the rest of the Illinois natives have clearly talked about doing and that is putting UI back on the map in a serious way and competing for B1G titles and tournament runs. Don't get fooled by the used car salesman telling you a Daewoo is a Lexus.
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Hmm. Can't say I agree with that. He's not likely starting as a true freshman over a third-year JCL.
Not to sound overly mean, but I don't believe any of this. (At least not until it had been verified by some other more public source)
My reasoning is that Goodwin doesn't seem like the kind of kid who would simply stop replying to a coach who has been recruiting him for years and shown him about 8,000 times more attention and love than Travis Ford.
I mean, to not reply to any Illinois coaches after all that effort is insanely disrespectful and that is what your source is insinuating about him. He isn't a disrespectful kid and it showed in his Twitter post when he named his top 7 and then thanked all other coaches for their time and effort in recruiting him. He just doesn't seem to be a disrespectful young man.
Unfortuntely, all of what you say may be true, and if it is, it'd be too bad. But, for now, I don't believe your source at all.
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Joel Goodson
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Dreamkilla! lol
I don't think Goodwin is naive enough to believe that Ford's going to transform him and get him to the NBA.
I do think that Goodwin thinks his best chance is as a PG. And he'll play PG and run the show at SLU from the get go. He has 4 years to morph into an NBA-level PG. For those who scoff, he's markedly improved his handles over the past year.
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And that very fact is a good reason why he'd be attracted by a chance to be the main guy on his hometown team where he'd probably rack up his EYBL double doubles every night. To anyone but us Illinois fans it totally makes sense to listen to a team that wants him as the main piece of the puzzle.
ps - and I agree with our J-Good. In 4 years he very well might become a good enough PG to make the NBA.
This.
Certainly not discrediting anyone's sources. But I have a hard time believing Goodwin has put the staff in the dark. The same goes for his good friends. With that said, I can see Goodwin previously hinting at a swift commitment post-Tilman and then having a change of heart to let the process play out longer. I can even picture Goodwin respectfully asking the staff to pause any communication to give Ford a fair and undisturbed pitch. Ford is clearly someone Goodwin highly respects, and in Goodwins mind giving Ford a fair swing might be the honorable thing to do whether or not he's made up his mind. I suppose that's still not a good thing for us, but I'm not quite ready to hit the panic button.
I hate to say it but I don't see Goodwin being an nba point guard with the way the Nba is heading towards. He doesn't have the outside game for the NBA. I can see him as a 3 or 4 in the NBA only because of teams like Golden State. I see more teams heading in that direction of playing smaller lineups. He has the toughness and the defense for that. If he spends time with Fletch he could add the necessary strength to make it. If his plan is PG he better hope for a good education or plan on being over seas. Look at the PGs that would come out with him when it's draft time. Who would he be taken over in that group. I just don't see it happening as a pg. Just because of his height and handles, that won't cut it to make the NBA
blackdog
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Everyone really going crazy over a dude's 2nd ever post on this board? He says that Ford was talking to Goodwin at games but that would be a violation during an evaluation period. I'm incredibly skeptical here and not just because he is saying Goodwin is leaning towards SLU. I can handle that but this just seems over the top.
SLU is a realistic option. Having Tate there helps a ton. I just wonder if Tate is saying its a done deal like he told Kim Anderson they stood a "great" chance to land him.
Look I know SLU is more of a threat that ppl think. Heck id even say they may lead at this moment, but I'm still inclined to think there is no way he chooses SLU over Illinois.
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I agree about tate helping with goodwin and slu is a realistic option. Could this actually help ui and hurt slu? 2018 Missouri side has three top 100 in gordon, Ramey and Watson. None of them have ever played for the eagles. Doubt there is much love loss between tate and mr. Ramey. If ford is promising the keys to Goodwin, then they r definitely out with Ramey.
I sure hope Goodwin and his family make the best decision for themselves. If ford is preaching Marcus smart, then they need to take a reality check. No offense but goodwin is not close to the player smart was entering his senior year.
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