+1 - Well, It was fun while it lasted. Goodwin now a lock for SLU
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)
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+1 - Well, It was fun while it lasted. Goodwin now a lock for SLU
This is what is wrong with society currently. Too many people think they are more than they are. Very few people get to make a living playing a sport they love. Just because they are good at basketball does not translate to playing at the pinnacle of the sport. I would love to eat my words in the future but I don't see an NBA future. Just look at Brandon Paul for an example. He has decent not excellent size, an above average shot, and above average athleticism and he is struggling to get to a camp appearance let alone a roster spot.
I realize Groce et al cannot say or pitch this to Goodwin but someone in the circle should have the sense to be realistic. His college choice has nothing to do with his less than 5% chance of making the league. He is almost certainly a 4 yr player regardless of school and how many upperclassmen get drafted anymore? The Turner comparison doesn't really hold water either because Turner is much more athletic and taller which make him quite the anomaly when he developed some ball handling skills. That is what puts people in the NBA, being physical anomalies.
I realize Groce et al cannot say or pitch this to Goodwin but someone in the circle should have the sense to be realistic. His college choice has nothing to do with his less than 5% chance of making the league. He is almost certainly a 4 yr player regardless of school and how many upperclassmen get drafted anymore? The Turner comparison doesn't really hold water either because Turner is much more athletic and taller which make him quite the anomaly when he developed some ball handling skills. That is what puts people in the NBA, being physical anomalies.
SLU may be telling him this, but I would be willing to bet he doesn't play point guard at SLU anytime soon.
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He should probably pitch for the Cardinals if he wants to be the king of Saint Louis
I whole heartedly agree.
He might get spot minutes there but if they need to win or recruit a dynamic pg he's back to the wing.
If he thinks he can't beat out Tejon and Hopefully Trent Frazier for PG mins how is he going to beat out legit NBA PGs for a roster spot
I wouldn't blame J-Good for making the "selfish decision" and committing to SLU if he believes that playing PG there or just being The Man there is his best chance at playing in the NBA.
For those of you suggesting that J-Good won't be able to play in the NBA b/c of his measurables or lack of shooting, you might be off the mark. Sure, J-Good probably won't start in the NBA, but he could have a long career and help a lot of teams win with his tenacity and jack of all trades style of play. Most teams play 10-11 guys per night.
With all that said, and I am probably in the minority here, but my dream class would be to close out with Frazier, Kiir, and Lewis. A true PG who can shoot, a freakishly athletic big who will alter shots at the very least, and a long, athletic wing that can shoot and is a coaches son. Sign me up!
For those of you suggesting that J-Good won't be able to play in the NBA b/c of his measurables or lack of shooting, you might be off the mark. Sure, J-Good probably won't start in the NBA, but he could have a long career and help a lot of teams win with his tenacity and jack of all trades style of play. Most teams play 10-11 guys per night.
With all that said, and I am probably in the minority here, but my dream class would be to close out with Frazier, Kiir, and Lewis. A true PG who can shoot, a freakishly athletic big who will alter shots at the very least, and a long, athletic wing that can shoot and is a coaches son. Sign me up!
We want Goodwin because he has more drive than any other player in the 2017 class. That same drive is what makes him want to do everything he can to make it to the NBA.
Is it a long shot? He is still driven to try. I suspect he will kick himself for the rest of his life if he does not try. If he is a 1% shot at the 2 and a 5% shot at the point, where will his drive lead him? He is not likely to get the chance to learn by doing at the point in CU, but at SLU he might very well be their best PG option right from the start.
We still have a 100% Crystal Ball rating, which doubtless has some meaning. But Ford has something to sell that we do not; the chance to learn by doing at the point. Though I do wonder why he has not had the chance to learn by doing by playing the point in HS. Do they have someone better?
Is it a long shot? He is still driven to try. I suspect he will kick himself for the rest of his life if he does not try. If he is a 1% shot at the 2 and a 5% shot at the point, where will his drive lead him? He is not likely to get the chance to learn by doing at the point in CU, but at SLU he might very well be their best PG option right from the start.
We still have a 100% Crystal Ball rating, which doubtless has some meaning. But Ford has something to sell that we do not; the chance to learn by doing at the point. Though I do wonder why he has not had the chance to learn by doing by playing the point in HS. Do they have someone better?
If only it were so easy. It takes more than handles to be a quality PG. The most important trait is vision and players generally have it or they don't.
Coaches have been telling kids what they want to hear for decades. Coach K has sold a dozen or more McDs AAs that they'll play the "stretch 4" in his system. Once he's got them on campus, they end up playing C.
Ford is going to tell Jordan whatever he has to to sell him on going to SLU. Our staff will have to try to counter.
MrOizo
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I would be ecstatic with that class. I want jgood to play here but there's too much smoke and we've seen this movie before. Wait on anybody of Lewis' or Frazier's caliber and we'll get burned like the damn suckers that we are.
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Turner was a PG early on in HS and before that grammar school. Then he had a growth spurt and he started playing SF. The ability was there at a very young age.
And he is not a PG in the NBA.
MrOizo
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The problem on his HS team is the same problem for Demonte and others that are tall - their team needs them to play off ball and inside since that's the maximum use of them for the team's benefit. Each of these teams has fast, little guys that can dribble and shoot decently. Jgood makes the most impact off ball at the high school and college level, period. He could work to transform/develop himself in other ways and playing time would be important eventually, but most important to jgood is to have the maximum impact at each level, regardless of position. JMO.
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MrOizo
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I forgot about the early PG experience, an advantage Turner had that jgood will not. You're right about Turner at the NBA level, but at the end of his college time he was playing lead guard and that experience got him drafted #2 overall iirc. I'm sure jgood doesn't care what position he would play in the NBA... Just that he plays there!
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If Goodwin cant beat out the Illini guys for the PG spot how is he even going to smell the NBA?..this is so much smoke..maybe Mr Green showed up, who the hell knows
Joel Goodson
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Full court press on Lewis. Full disclosure to Goodwin. First to commit gets the ride. 1 wing, that's it, end of story, full stop.
If Brian Bowen commits to MSU, does that increase our chances with Eastern?
I would say yes. Depending on how our class shakes out as well. But his mom driving his recruitment and potentially messing it up for him.
NEIlliniFan
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A poster comes on - with a total post count lower than my shoe size and I wear size 6.5 - with negative information. Could be legit.
I question it because of the really in-depth details, not because of the negative content. Stuff that a single source typically wouldn't have, unless your source is the recruit themselves.
Things that make me go 'hmmmm'.
I question it because of the really in-depth details, not because of the negative content. Stuff that a single source typically wouldn't have, unless your source is the recruit themselves.
Things that make me go 'hmmmm'.
Let's hope so. Also, if he is all of a sudden talking to Travis Ford and a new behavioral trait develops like "disrespecting people for no reason", maybe his parents should get him to stop talking to Travis Ford.
He's a bad influence on people. :thumb:
The mom is a very interesting case study.
Everybody starts (or restarts) at zero.
NEIlliniFan
- No longer in New England
True.
But not everyone comes on posting knowledge of:
A) What SLU is doing - Side A
B) What Goodwin is doing - Object A
C) What UI is doing - Side B
Now, I'd argue that it's really difficult to know all three of those things at the same time. Two of three - yes. Three of three - really unlikely
Even if the source was Goodwin himself, how does HE know what UI is doing, if he's not taking their communication? He'd know what SLU was telling him and what his response was to it. But if he's not communicating with UI, then he would not know what UI was doing.
The optimist in me thinks this might be a tactic to throw off the Illinois fans.
Maybe this information is being spread to build up suspense and create a new buzz around Goodwin. I would guess that most recruits want to announce their decision without fans and "recruiting experts" already calling it a lock to a certain program.
Maybe this information is being spread to build up suspense and create a new buzz around Goodwin. I would guess that most recruits want to announce their decision without fans and "recruiting experts" already calling it a lock to a certain program.
All of that is probably common knowledge inside and just outside of the Goodwin circle, even if it is 2nd or 3rd hand. Too many people feel they are owed the entire story and all details about who said what to whom and when. To me, this particular account seemed to corroborate other reports that have been posted, both here and on other forums.
In regards to knowing what UI is doing or saying, I'm sure they've also reached out to those around him to try to make contact indirectly.
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