Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)

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zpfled

Logan Square, Chicago
I want to see your yearly gains like Fletch posted out on Twitter. How much has your bench improved under her via the Fletch workout plan. :D

I don't bench. I have a single fitness goal--dunk a basketball (I'm 5'6" and it will probably never happen, but I'm trying). She suggested jump squats and running on a treadmill in a weighted vest. But she leads group classes that are crazy. Mostly bodyweight stuff, but I've never been so tired. Yesterday I was almost falling asleep at my desk after doing one of her classes over my lunch hour.
 
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I don't bench. I have a single fitness goal--dunk a basketball (I'm 5'6" and it will probably never happen, but I'm trying). She suggested jump squats and running on a treadmill in a weighted vest. But she leads group classes that are crazy. Mostly bodyweight stuff, but I've never been so tired. Yesterday I was almost falling asleep at my desk after doing one of her classes over my lunch hour.

Where is the class located/who teaches it?
 
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Reggie Rankin was hinting that Frazier would move into the top 100, guess he was wrong.

Yeah I was thinking the same. Not only is he not top 100 now, he's not even anywhere near. The lowest ranked PG who got into the top 100 was ranked as the #22 PG. They've got Frazier as the #40 PG in this list. That's got to be closer to 200 than it is to 100. Really weird that this happened after Rankin's glowing report.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...position/point-guard/class/2017/view/position
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
Paul Scruggs (2017 PG) Official Visit
Illinois - September 2-4

Kris Wilkes (2017 G) Official Visit
Illinois - September 8-10

Abu Kigab (2017 SF) Official Visit
Illinois - September 16-18



Illini Commits w/ commitment date
Javon Pickett (2017 G) - January 16
Da'Monte Williams (2017 G) - February 28
Jeremiah Tilmon (2017 C) - July 11
Trent Frazier (2017 PG) - August 21

I'm liking this updated post #1. :thumb:
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
Yeah I was thinking the same. Not only is he not top 100 now, he's not even anywhere near. The lowest ranked PG who got into the top 100 was ranked as the #22 PG. They've got Frazier as the #40 PG in this list. That's got to be closer to 200 than it is to 100. Really weird that this happened after Rankin's glowing report.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...position/point-guard/class/2017/view/position

Not worried. I am quite glad he has enthusiastically chosen the Illini! I know we think all of our recruits are undervalued, it's human nature. Frazier really appears to be the exact type of point guard that maximizes Groce's offense. Color me happy! :D
 
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Some thoughts on rankings:

1) While there will always be variation on some players between ranking services, those services have gotten a lot better over the years. So while there may be some cases where a player is ranked 70 in one and 150 in another, it is hardly the norm and most of those large variations dissipate as the final seasons progress.

2) There is also the notion that the "person doing the rankings" has not seen recruit(s) play. In reality, most of the ranking services are now big conglomerates with many analysts in pretty much all states working for them, including some of the same analysts that Illini fans get their recruiting information from. Analysts working for those services get to watch a tremendous amount of players, individually and collectively. Many more than coaches.

3) Another fan perception is that coaches are better at uncovering talent nationally by watching more players/games than the analysts and recruiting services. This is not true either. Coaches and assistants see very few players/games compared to the analysts. For the simple reason that their schedule/responsibilities do not allow it. Most often than not, when coaches/assistants go to games, it is for players they already recruit, not uncovering talent. I know for a fact that most coaches do depend on ranking services and some of the analysts who work for those services for uncovering talent, recommendations, evaluations, etc. Almost all coaches have open communications with many analysts for uncovering and targeting talent.
 
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Exhibit 999 that ESPN's ratings are no bueno. No Ramey? Garland #12, while Dosunmu #32? Garbage.

I don't understand why this makes them "garbage"? Rivals and Scout both have Garland ahead of Dosunmu. And they both have Ramey around 60, so just not getting the outrage here. They gave Ramey a rating of 85 and their #60 player is rated 86 so he can't be far off.
 
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I have noticed that independent analysts like Henricksen tend to use ESPN or 247 composite numbers. But sometimes ranking services are almost amusingly different which is why I tend to just use them as argument beginners. Scout has Frazier at 78 and ESPN has him somewhere around 200. ESPN has Verge at 77, Scout has him at exactly 200. No way is he the 200th best senior in the country. But I'm happy to say Frazier is the 78th best and Verge is easily a top 100 guard. Thus they can't both be right so I just go with the one that pleases me in each individual case.
 
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TEYPAY

Springfield
Rankings -- I think a judge once said always use the RSCI.... it minimizes one bad (or good) ranking. They are what they are -- people's opinions... and sometimes that even varies.(is it how good they are in high school... or how good of a college player they will be... or will they make it to the NBA). Different systems view things differently. I think things we can pretty much all agree on:
1 - the higher the RSCI ranking, the better the recruit (probably...)
2 - we always want high rankings..

3 -- WE WANT TO WIN... regardless of the ranking...
 
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Joel Goodson

ties will be resolved
I don't understand why this makes them "garbage"? Rivals and Scout both have Garland ahead of Dosunmu. And they both have Ramey around 60, so just not getting the outrage here. They gave Ramey a rating of 85 and their #60 player is rated 86 so he can't be far off.

Was focused on the 2017s. Had no clue Garland was ranked that high. Mea Culpa. That said, I trust Scout's and Rivals' more than ESPN's. They have Ayo and Garland around the same and Ramey high 50s-60.

Still think Ramey may turn out the best of the group.
 
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Was focused on the 2017s. Had no clue Garland was ranked that high. Mea Culpa. That said, I trust Scout's and Rivals' more than ESPN's. They have Ayo and Garland around the same and Ramey high 50s-60.

Still think Ramey may turn out the best of the group.

Just curious, what makes you say that about Ramey?
 
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That's a brutal quiz. I don't think I could answer any of those correctly. It's not like I'm just a casual fan either, I read the recruiting threads pretty much every day religiously. I've only been posting for three years, but I've been lurking since at least the IDKWTI days.

Nobody who even reads Loyalty is a casual fan. Especially in the off season. Don't think I could answer any of the questions without research either. Somebody want to comment of the ten tiers of fandom. Exceptional, tier 1, gets 90% plus on the quiz
Tier 4 and above: Reads Loyalty
Tier 7: Watches most every game
Tier 10: Heard the score
 
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hooraybeer

Pittsburgh, PA
quadruple bonus: I saw Jawun on his official visit to campus.. what did I say to him?
 
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Joel Goodson

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Just curious, what makes you say that about Ramey?

My proprietary stochastic polynomial differential based statistical predicative system. IOW, my gut and intuition.

Garland is 5' 10-11" 140-150 lbs.
Ramey is 6' 3" 170 lb.

Dosunmu is by far the best penetrator: can get to the rack at will. Not a consistent outside shooter (yet). Not sure he's a real PG (yet).

I really like Ramey's balance. He can shoot it, handle it, pass it and penetrate. Very well rounded game. His best attribute may be his ability to run the O.

Admittedly, I know least about Garland's game.
 
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Haven't heard this name discussed in awhile. Not even sure he is still on our radar.

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 49m49 minutes ago
ESPN 100 forward Jericho Sims takes an official visit to Texas this weekend, per his coach. Played for @adidasD1MN.
 
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Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 2h2 hours ago
Visits:
•25 John Petty: Alabama
•28 Paul Scruggs: UConn
•87 Wabissa Bede, 89 Kyle Young: Butler
•75 Xavier Tillman, 78 Nojel Eastern: Purdue
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Let's see the list!

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This could probably never happen. But sure would be fun if it did.

[FONT=&quot]Justin Young[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Wendell Carter, the No. 1 overall player on the HoopSeen125 national rankings, will take an official visit to Harvard the weekend of Sept. 17. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Mohamed Bamba will take an unofficial visit to Harvard on Sept. 24, according to a source close to the situation. The No. 4 overall ranked player has been a prime target for Tommy Amaker and staff in the 2017 recruiting class.[/FONT]
http://www.hoopseen.com/news/special/201608/trail-syracuse-uconn-butler-purdue-take-center-stage
 
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