Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (March 2018)

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I Bomb

Stylin' and Profilin'
If half these transfer rumors turn out to be true, the staff will need to pull a serious rabbit out of the hat recruiting, otherwise next year might be even more fan-testing than this year. You never know, I guess. Maybe addition by subtraction but you have to have some bench, right?
 
#503      
Smith has handled his departure with class in interviews, so I wish him no ill will. Maybe the departure is mutual and the no restrictions is a favor for keeping it under wraps that Underwood wasn't begging him to stay, which would be terrible optics. And he may have seen the writing on the wall with Frazier's emergence and Ayo coming in....I hope his next coach teaches him how to use his peripheral vision so he isn't always turning his head and getting alley-opped on.

Unfortunate the stuff I'm seeing about his dad being almost Lavar Ball-esque. If it's indeed true, it may be a blessing for the program as a whole. I usually think of guys who played baseball growing up to be toughened up to a little bit of failure, but Smith was primarily a pitcher and only got that offer to Mizzou because he lit up a radar gun when he was 15.....he didn't even play in high school as a junior or senior once his elbow was injured....This season may literally be the first time he has ever failed at anything.

I can't imagine Black leaving for his last year...I mean what grad program would another school have that UI wouldn't have. If he wants to play professionally, then I guess more power to him, but I'd think that he would rather showcase his skills here than play in some foreign professional league.

All in all though, we weren't any good this year. I truly don't believe anyone outside of Frazier is irreplaceable. Id rather keep Lucas and his pain in the rear defense than Smith if he can make some better decisions and accepts a role as a likely bench player who is going to get 20 minutes a night. Kipper is frustrating as all heck but if made better decisions, he'd be tough to replace. An I think all the other Freshman have their best basketball in front of them.

Oh well, at least there is some action on this board....it got pretty slow there for a while.
 
#505      
You are correct. Langford only had them in his original list of 7.It was Ramey and Anfernee Simons that had committed and then de-committed after the FBI sting.

This ^^^^, I mentioned this as well in the argument for Ramey still wanting to come here and Ayo not being a deterrent against it. Simons and him signed, why don't Ayo and him?

I think the correlation may have more weight than others in regards to Ramey possibly coming here. 7-40 Simons/Ramey or 27-40 Ayo/Ramey ranking comparision from 24/7.
 
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I've heard there's no chance Caroline leaves Nevada for Illinois, so that's likely not happening. I'd also be surprised to see Cunningham leave Dayton for a mediocre team like Illinois. It might be more likely he'd join a team like Loyola or maybe Ohio State, teams with recent success to point to. JMHO.
While Loyola is having a really good season, you realize they were just 18-14 last year and 15-17 the season before that, so to say they are in a better place lately than Illinois, especially considering they play in a much weaker conference, is probably a stretch.
 
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This ^^^^, I mentioned this as well in the argument for Ramey still wanting to come here and Ayo not being a deterrent against it. Simons and him signed, why don't Ayo and him?

I think the correlation may have more weight than others in regards to Ramey possibly coming here. 7-40 Simons/Ramey or 27-40 Ayo/Ramey ranking comparision from 24/7.


The difference is that in addition to Ayo, Illinois has a stud freshman playing PG already in Frazier.

So it's not just a matter of Ayo scaring him off. It's the combination of Ayo and Frazier.

If Ramey wants to be "the man" with the ball in his hands, Illinois probably isn't the ideal fit.
 
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Where r people getting Vesel to transfer. In post-B10 tourney interview he said he was going to spend a lot of time in the weight room.

I think Kipper will stick with it, why sit another year just to have a senior season left.
 
#511      

BlindLoyalty

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I think Smith, Black, Lucas, and Vesel are the four defections. Underwood landed Griffin, but he needs Jones as a replacement for Smith. He needs Trice or Manuel to replace Vesel, and Cunningham would be his ideal replacement for Black. I'm not sold that will happen.

This article in the Dayton Daily News today states that a Cunningham grad transfer is not going to happen.



Monday, March 05, 2018

"Dayton Flyers forward Josh Cunningham would be a senior this season if he had stayed at Bradley. He won’t graduate until next year, he said Saturday, so fans worrying he might take advantage of the grad transfer rule can breathe easy."
 
#512      
"teams with recent success" ... completely accurate. I didn't say "a better place lately than Illinois", but they've certainly had more success recently. And next year ain't lookin' great for the Illini, either. I'm not claiming he'd go to Loyola, but to say he's Illinois-bound (as some seem to be hinting) is a fabrication.

I wouldn't exactly say he's Illinois bound, but if he transfers id say we're at the top of the list. His relationships with Ayo, Monte and Chin and a chance to play Big 10 basketball is appealing.
 
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I think Smith, Black, Lucas, and Vesel are the four defections. Underwood landed Griffin, but he needs Jones as a replacement for Smith. He needs Trice or Manuel to replace Vesel, and Cunningham would be his ideal replacement for Black. I'm not sold that will happen.

Wait we need a replacement for Vesel, based on his PT any player would automatically qualify right?:thumb::D
 
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The difference is that in addition to Ayo, Illinois has a stud freshman playing PG already in Frazier.

So it's not just a matter of Ayo scaring him off. It's the combination of Ayo and Frazier.

If Ramey wants to be "the man" with the ball in his hands, Illinois probably isn't the ideal fit.

Who's to say he would have been the man in L-Ville, I mean he signed with someone ranked almost 40 spots ahead of him?:chief:

Not sure that matters, I do believe he wants to go to a "it" school possibly and that would take ILLINI out of the picture, I am sure any set of players would not though?:chief:
 
#515      
Not sure if he has much range on his jumper, but he has serious low-block game and good footwork.

We already have/had that with Finke, how did that work out. I would love for us to have his skill set near the basket, plus he looks like a + passer.
 
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Kramer116

Chicago
Well should be an interesting next month.

Going to have 5 new players next year at least imo including AYO and Griffin, maybe 6.

Need to lock down Jones in the next 2 weeks after his visit to start.

Grab a freshman big, and work the grad transfer route hard.
 
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This was just a partial list of those who left South Carolina program in the 3.5 years prior to the Final Four year:

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We should just get used to 4-5 players leaving each season.
I did not know this. That is astounding.

Your final remark is something I'm going to start taking to heart.
 
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EJ33

San Francisco
Well should be an interesting next month.

Going to have 5 new players next year at least imo including AYO and Griffin, maybe 6.

Need to lock down Jones in the next 2 weeks after his visit to start.

Grab a freshman big, and work the grad transfer route hard.

I assume you think Vessel and Black are locks to leave (with Black probably going pro in Europe).
 
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EJ33

San Francisco
As I've pointed out previously, this is what Huggins/Martin/Underwood coaching tree does.

This was just a partial list of those who left South Carolina program in the 3.5 years prior to the Final Four year:

Reggie Theus Jr.
Shamiek Sheppard
Demtetrius Henry
Jaylen Shaw
Desmond Ringer
Damien Leonard
R.J. Slawson
Eric Smith
Brian Richardson
Carlton Geathers
Raymond Doby
Eric Cobb
Jamall Gregory
Travon Bunch
James Thompson
Marcus Stroman
Temarcus Blanton
Ran Tut
Sedee Keita

We should just get used to 4-5 players leaving each season.

Very interesting. That approach seems very at odds with Illinois' ideal of the student athlete.
 
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sdfidaho

Boise, Idaho
We already have/had that with Finke, how did that work out. I would love for us to have his skill set near the basket, plus he looks like a + passer.

I'm confused.....
 
#523      
You're not the only one :confused:

Antun Maricevic 6-10 240....get him very mobile.

A poster questioned his outside shot...we don't need another Finke we need some inside, or at the least mobile inside players. Finke is not that.:chief:
 
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Kramer116

Chicago
I assume you think Vessel and Black are locks to leave (with Black probably going pro in Europe).

Sounds like we will find out about Black tonight or tomorrow for sure one way or another.
 
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