sacraig
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I don't think that poster was being sarcastic. Several on here have seemingly seriously suggested that there needed to be some PR release to try to control the narrative.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (March 2018)
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I don't think that poster was being sarcastic. Several on here have seemingly seriously suggested that there needed to be some PR release to try to control the narrative.
foby
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Great reminder post. :thumb:
Wonder what happens with him now that Mack is leaving Xavier. I suppose it depends on whether Steele gets that job or not. I am hearing he won't.
mhuml32
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Good God this would be amazing.
Peoria Illini
- Peoria, IL
Shorten it to GiGI - Like Gigi Buffon.
foby
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That's our never ending story.
My question is show in the hell did Cuonzo win 20 games his first year without his best player. And they were in a lot deeper funk than we were. Coach Brad Underwood can outcoach him. I sure don't think It is going to take 3 years for BU to get us on the path we want.
You're too shy
Some rumors on twitter that Cuonzo is looking to add Ramey's dad to staff. Lmao this clown
Might have to do that to keep Louisville off his tail.
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I'll believe it when I see it, but if that were true -- a big IF -- it would further cement my views of Cuonzo Martin. A guy that is looking for every shortcut in the book to get talent and hope it takes him high enough before all the air is sucked out of his balloon.
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Perhaps. Obviously I didn't take it as sarcasm, because as somebody else said, that sentiment has been floated here before.
It's also a bit of a response to S&C. I completely agree that there's no way to sugar coat this past year, but a little perspective is never a bad thing when evaluating a program undergoing a complete rebuild.
I think because unlike football, I'd argue we've never had a "total rebuild with a new coach" for basketball. Self left the cupboard more than stocked for Bruce and even after Bruce got fired, he left some really talented pieces that took Groce to within a hairs breadth of the sweet sixteen.
For a lot of posters its insanely weird for a first year coach to come in and completely have a failed season because it really hasn't happened to us, when I would argue that it's the norm for most programs. Like you said, perspective is key!
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That last part is absolutely right. We've been spoiled in that our transitions have resulted in a better team the following year. 2001 better than 2000. 2004 better than 2003. 2013 better than 2012.
Most of us knew that a bad season was very possible, and clearly the sports writers saw it coming with their preseason prediction that we'd finish #13 in the B1G. This hasn't happened to us in a very long time. But it happens to all kinds of successful coaches at successful programs.
sacraig
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My question is show in the hell did Cuonzo win 20 games his first year without his best player. And they were in a lot deeper funk than we were. Coach Brad Underwood can outcoach him. I sure don't think It is going to take 3 years for BU to get us on the path we want.
They weren't really in a deeper funk than us. They only had 3 years of dreadful basketball under Kim Anderson. We've been in a funk for the better part of a decade.
How were the photos (that's plural because it has happened more than once) taken out of context? Missouri fans held up their signs incorrectly more than once at the Braggin' Rights game, creating a humorous new moniker for their school. I, for one, refuse to retire it and will continue calling them Miznoz until the day they become irrelevant.
Except, unlike Miznoz, we have actually beat within 5 points of the pinnacle and have had long stretches of borderline greatness in our program's history. Maybe people just forget that because of what Weber and Groce did to our program.
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I think when someone asks for something "immediately, if not sooner" sarcasm should be considered a possibility. There was a lot of goofing around on the football board about Lovie not controlling the narrative as he was losing players after the season ended.
That's exactly right. When Jontay goes pro, Sr. is outta there.
Groce was definitely in full rebuild mode. Yeah he had a good senior class his first year. But after that, there was almost nothing left. As weird as it sounds, Groce left UI in a better place than Bruce did.
When this class is wrapped up it will be interesting to compare it to Groce's class of Mav, Hill, Tate, Nunn, and Colbert.
He got Kassius Robertson via 5th year transfer, who was one of the more underrated players in the country. He also had Jontay Porter who gets under looked because of who is brother is, but is a really good player. If Coach Underwood can get a grad. transfer (Caroline, Cunningham, etc.) as talented as Roberton, Illini could surpise some people next year.My question is show in the hell did Cuonzo win 20 games his first year without his best player. And they were in a lot deeper funk than we were. Coach Brad Underwood can outcoach him. I sure don't think It is going to take 3 years for BU to get us on the path we want.
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Actually, if anyone has learned anything about recruiting is that stars and accolades actually mean a lot. There is no guarantee that a player succeeds but there is a higher correlation between success and stars/accolades. That is actually why people are excited about Ayo and the why the current football recruiting mood is through the roof.
It's funny, the difference between the "haves" and the "have nots" when it comes to stars and accolades. The Kentucky fans down here and the ones calling into the local radio shows are pissing and moaning about Cal taking all of these 5 star one and done players and not having other 4 year type players to glue the team together. They are complaining about "only" having one championship even though they recruit all of the best players.
We get excited about one 5* and they complain about how all of their 5* players can't win championships.
You are right. This roster is far from set. We could be a lot better than some posters expect. I think it 's very important to take advantage of Ayo's year. Yes, it's possible he is one and done. He's that great! And, a great player can make a tremendous difference. I really think with the right additions we can make a run at the tournament. Miznoz did, so can we.
illini80
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You are right. This roster is far from set. We could be a lot better than some posters expect. I think it 's very important to take advantage of Ayo's year. Yes, it's possible he is one and done. He's that great! And, a great player can make a tremendous difference. I really think with the right additions we can make a run at the tournament. Miznoz did, so can we.
I'm really interested to see how his game translates to the next level, but I certainly am not going to set expectations that high. Maybe he was never fully healthy this year. That jump shot needs a lot of work if he's going to be one and done.
Agreed, well said.
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