Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (March 2018)
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I’m hearing something along the lines of the staff cooling on him. I didn’t get any explanation why or confirmation, so I wouldn’t take that as anything more than a rumor at this moment.
Wait.....I thought Frazier was one of the best defenders on the court. No sarcasm, high energy, great on ball defender. He was the only player half the time that would jump passing lanes. Not sure you are watching the same Trent Frazier.
Yeah that’s what I saw too. Led us in steals too right?
But Brown and Head got a shot at the NBA which they may not have without running in a system with 2 other strong guards.
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He was - his D was very good.
The same Dee Brown who won the Cousy award as a senior? They saw him play point guard plenty.
Head moved up in the draft based on his play in pre-draft camp.
BTW, Derek Harper's draft stock exploded after freshman Bruce Douglas became the primary point guard and Harper moved to shooting guard his junior season. Harper played lead / point guard for 16 years in the NBA.
Yes, and by a wide margin.
Frazier was 2nd in the Big10 in steals.
Clearly you must have missed the phenomenon known as the message board "insider" whose knowledge on all things Illini-basketball far surpasses that of those who actually get paid to lead the program. Although they take on low-key personas in the community at large (regularly interacting with highly coveted sources such as barbers, hot dog vendors, bakery owners) it is these esteemed individuals who carry the keys to what is really going on in a recruitment. So says the Internet, and if it is on the Internet, we know it must be true.
Luther did indeed benefit from the magical season although he was not as highly ranked so the thinking going into college was different. The biggest criticism throughout his career was that he could not be a PG. Yet, he did not commit with another 2 proven PGs in the same class or a class ahead.
Not sure if you can say that Dee benefited, he was a McD AA who other than a cup of coffee at the NBA never really got a contract. By the time both him and Deron committed, it was obvious that Luther was not a PG.
Anyway, I know everyone wants to hear Ramey joining the Illini, and he is indeed a very good player but from what I hear it is not happening. From an Illini perspective, I love players who can handle in the same backcourt, but from a players' perspective it is hard to join when you have Ayo and Frazier (who was a wildcard) already on the team.
Yes, the same Dee Brown. Dee became the face of college basketball with his tenacity as a player and his leadership and skills, but it was obvious that he lacked NBA PG skills. Yet, again, never had to share the PG with two players. Here you have a situation where 3 PGs have to share duties. Ayo and Frazier is the same situation as Dee and Deron or Douglas and Harper (although Harper was 2 classes ahead of Douglas). It is Ramey's decision which is more difficult.
If memory serves, from a rankings perspective, the trio of Ramey, Ayo and Frazier would seem to be similar, if a little less heralded, than Dee, Deron and Luther -- how would they be from a compatibility perspective? One of the nice things about the Dee, Deron and Luther combination is that while their skill sets were similar, they were also highly compatible in such a manner that if one or more of them was not on the floor, those skills were still represented at a high level, but if all three were on the floor, the others would defer to the "hot hand" for any given situation.
It is not a rankings comparison, more of a skills comparison. There is absolutely no problem playing 2 PGs in the same lineup, I am actually a big advocate and as a coach do it all the time. It is a commitment issue of having 3 projected PGs all with skills. Ramey knows that Frazier emerged as the leader and got All-B1G freshman as a PG. He already knows that because it is late Spring. He already knows that Ayo, a highly ranked PG is also joining. That is why the decision is tough. If it was fall (assuming Mark Smith was not on the team) and Ramey was having to make a decision and looking at Ayo joining it was going to be a different situation. Frazier emerging as a wildcard made the decision harder.
Of course they will, and IMO is not a tough decision either.
Yeah, Trice said Apr 11th quite sometime ago, which coincides with his grandfather's birthday.
That is not the decision and thinking going into college. When Dee made his college decision, Dee absolutely had aspirations of becoming an NBA point guard and many actually believed he had a chance. This is not Ayo or Ramey after 4 years when they have proved that they do not have the NBA PG skills. They are going into college thinking and believing they do.
We need Ramey. It's possible that Ayo is a one and done. We need all the star power we can get. Regardless the position.
Dee was drafted by the NBA as a point guard and played point guard in the NBA. (unlike Head who was sort of an undersized sparkplug 2 with the Rockets) He would have been a first round draft pick as a point guard had he left after 2005.
Dee's NBA career failed because he couldn't shoot and because he wasn't gifted enough in other areas to make up for it. But as a threshold question, Dee Brown had NBA PG skills. Just not elite ones, which is what sticking in the league as a small guard with a shaky jumper would have required.
Wonder how Dee’s career would have been without the broken foot. I thought he lost a step after the injury and went from being freakishly fast to just really fast. He lost some of the speed that would allow him to probe the defense at the elite level needed for the nba, and didn’t have enough to fall back on. His ceiling was probably a better version or tyronn lue.l, before the injury.
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We need Ramey. It's possible that Ayo is a one and done. We need all the star power we can get. Regardless the position.
Yeah, it's possible. Highly, highly doubtful though.
WRT Ramey: you can't always get what you want.
I listened to the podcast of Derek on the Jeremy Werner show and he said that Tevian hasn't given him a date that he's going to announce. He said that with the dead period starting today and Tevian wanting to take another visit the April 11 date seemed about right but made it sound like it wasn't set in stone. He also said Jones won't visit Cal and that Xavier was out with Chris Mack gone and didn't expect Louisville to get involved.
He also said after taking Kane and Giorgi, the staff was unlikely to take another HS or JUCO big man (would only take a fifth year who could come in and make an impact immediately). That makes it sound like the staff has moved on regarding Trice.
He also said after taking Kane and Giorgi, the staff was unlikely to take another HS or JUCO big man (would only take a fifth year who could come in and make an impact immediately). That makes it sound like the staff has moved on regarding Trice.
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