Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (May-June 2018)

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Braun wants to make his decision before June, so he can get to the university and workout with the team. We should know sometime next week.

Dead period till Friday, my guess visit next week? Hard to say with the holidays, still waiting but think he would go visit Arizona sometime next week with decision before next weekend. Like the talk that he and dad want UI , trip is Mom's idea, maybe she wants little vacation in Tuscon. ;):illinois:
 
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Without football all these schools are at a huge disadvantage. There is no real business model as far as revenue, audience expansion, conference negotiating power, TV contracts, overall athletic budget, etc. All the things that are happening, including conference realignment is driven primarily by football and football/basketball synergies. There is no coincidence of the demise of Depaul, St. John's, Georgetown, etc. They may have the occasional good season, like many other schools including mid-majors will have, but the outlook given current dynamics is definitely bleak.

You can see in their efforts to attract coaches, recently with Georgetown, previously with DePaul and St. John's. It is getting harder and harder to attract coaches, for what it used to be very attractive jobs. They can't compete with for the coaches in high demand.

Also, the statement that "splitting away from the football schools was a very smart move" is incorrect. That is not what happened. It was the strong football/basketball school's that broke away for more lucrative opportunities, leaving the basketball only schools with no choice other than to bundle together as opposed to partnering with mid and low majors. The leaving of the strong football/basketball schools left them in no man's land.



Agree with you, I think there may still be those basketball niche schools (Villanova, Gonzaga) who continue to succeed. But overall as a conference they are swimming upstream w/out power football programs.
 
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I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure that the basketball-only Catholic schools broke away first, although I think they could see that a split was inevitable, eventually.

https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytim...rt-breakaway-for-big-east-basketball-schools/

Nope, it was the strong football/basketball schools who left the Big East first, a move that was in negotiations well in advance even before it was announced. Once the strong left, the non-football schools were left with no much choice other than to form a basketball only conference, the "new" Big East.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...burgh-panthers-syracuse-orange-14-team-league
 
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Without football all these schools are at a huge disadvantage. There is no real business model as far as revenue, audience expansion, conference negotiating power, TV contracts, overall athletic budget, etc. All the things that are happening, including conference realignment is driven primarily by football and football/basketball synergies. There is no coincidence of the demise of Depaul, St. John's, Georgetown, etc. They may have the occasional good season, like many other schools including mid-majors will have, but the outlook given current dynamics is definitely bleak.

You can see in their efforts to attract coaches, recently with Georgetown, previously with DePaul and St. John's. It is getting harder and harder to attract coaches, for what it used to be very attractive jobs. They can't compete with for the coaches in high demand.

The demise of Georgetown is greatly overstated, but as to the other two, you're talking about two schools that have struggled for decades, even in the heyday of their respective prior conferences.

The lack of football creates revenue challenges, there's no question. But the singular focus on men's basketball in markets that care about the sport is an opportunity. The Villanova juggernaut also helps.

You COULD be right about medium-term relegation to "luxury mid-major" status for the conference, but I would bet against it.


I don't think that's correct. I'm pretty sure that the basketball-only Catholic schools broke away first, although I think they could see that a split was inevitable, eventually.

https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytim...rt-breakaway-for-big-east-basketball-schools/

Yeah, once the golden tickets to P5 conferences had all been handed out and the old Big East was rendered an unstable shell, the Catholic 7 saw what was smartest for them and left Cincy, UConn and USF holding the bag.

UConn should have given up their power conference football charade right then and there and stolen Creighton's spot, but alas.
 
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Agree with you, I think there may still be those basketball niche schools (Villanova, Gonzaga) who continue to succeed. But overall as a conference they are swimming upstream w/out power football programs.

Yeah, no doubt, and those schools also understand it. I know there are some active discussions in a couple of schools in the NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision to possibly try to make the jump in football, but there is a huge cost associated with it. Some city schools have added prohibitive constraints (space, land) that puts them even more at a disadvantage.
 
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If my kid went to school 6 hrs away, I would not be going to many games without flying. And once you're headed to the airport, the flight to Arizona isn't that much more cost or effort. And it's a proven program and proven coach.

I agree to some extent, but your kid being driving distance from home while in college for 4 years is going to comfort most parents. I doubt most people would be flying their kid home for holidays or long weekends from 6 hours away. That is going to save some money.

6 hours, in my opinion, is a long drive but very doable.

I'd drive...KC to probably Chicago to Champaign; by the time you add layover, allowance to be at the airport an hour early, the fact that flight times are never exactly when you want both coming and going, travel to/from both airports, potential problems with layover schedules...I bet I beat you on campus 50% of the time & on some bad days you are stuck in Chicago with a missed flight or adding extra travel time to make sure you make it to schedule.
 
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sacraig

The desert
Dead period till Friday, my guess visit next week? Hard to say with the holidays, still waiting but think he would go visit Arizona sometime next week with decision before next weekend. Like the talk that he and dad want UI , trip is Mom's idea, maybe she wants little vacation in Tuscon. ;):illinois:

Notably, it would also be ideal to take a vacation in Tucson before June.
 
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illini80

Forgottonia
Dead period till Friday, my guess visit next week? Hard to say with the holidays, still waiting but think he would go visit Arizona sometime next week with decision before next weekend. Like the talk that he and dad want UI , trip is Mom's idea, maybe she wants little vacation in Tuscon. ;):illinois:

Werner seemed to indicate that AZ and LSU had moved on. Hope that is the case, but why would AZ still offer him an official if that was in fact their situation? I agree that our odds are not the best at the moment.
 
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Werner seemed to indicate that AZ and LSU had moved on. Hope that is the case, but why would AZ still offer him an official if that was in fact their situation? I agree that our odds are not the best at the moment.

If AZ and LSU have moved on....then why would our odds not be the best????
 
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Because AZ still hasn't cancelled the official visit and the last visit can have a good chance of swaying a recruit.

Here's hoping the family's ties to Illinois and the impressions Parker and Dad got of BU's ship are enough to make him choose :illinois: .
 
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Arizona has to be one of the most overrated places to live in the states. Although there is a Portillo's...
 
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Arizona has to be one of the most overrated places to live in the states. Although there is a Portillo's...


Phoenix you can have, but the rest of the state is pretty fascinating, to visit anyway.
 
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Werner seemed to indicate that AZ and LSU had moved on. Hope that is the case, but why would AZ still offer him an official if that was in fact their situation? I agree that our odds are not the best at the moment.

See what comes of visit , concerns would happen if he goes and makes a big deal about it. Basically, it seems to me, chance for PT v being a bench warmer/ redshirt. He has opportunity to make his own minutes here, LSU and Arizona, have others ready to play, he doesn't seem to have a chance of playing. See what he decides. Werner might know more and like his message. ;):illinois:
 
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sacraig

The desert
Arizona has to be one of the most overrated places to live in the states. Although there is a Portillo's...

I beg to differ. I usually avoid Phoenix, but there is a lot of cool stuff in this state otherwise. It's a tad hot, but the winters sure are nice, too.
 
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skyIdub

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I beg to differ. I usually avoid Phoenix, but there is a lot of cool stuff in this state otherwise. It's a tad hot, but the winters sure are nice, too.

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Phoenix is not overrated imo, I have lived in AZ for 20 years...next to a couple of more tropical locals that I lived in is by far one of the cleanest, well laid out cities with quite a lot to actually due year around and everything else within reach within 2-4 hours if you want to do that stuff as well.:chief:

Agreed. AZ is a GREAT state and is hardly "overrated". I love it here in Scottsdale. Just wish there was a Monical's near me lol. Oregano's just isn't cutting it lately. :tsk:
 
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breadman

Herndon, VA
Phoenix is not overrated imo, I have lived in AZ for 20 years...next to a couple of more tropical locals that I lived in is by far one of the cleanest, well laid out cities with quite a lot to actually due year around and everything else within reach within 2-4 hours if you want to do that stuff as well.:chief:

And for goodness sake, please don't be late! heh!

Flew into Tucson about 5 years ago. As the plane approach, I got the feeling of being in a really isolated area as Tuscon looked really, really small from the air.
 
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sacraig

The desert
And for goodness sake, please don't be late! heh!

Flew into Tucson about 5 years ago. As the plane approach, I got the feeling of being in a really isolated area as Tuscon looked really, really small from the air.

That's a weird feeling because Tucson is fairly large in terms of land area. It has a similar density to Indianapolis. It would be a pretty interesting place to go to school for 4 years, basketball program aside. It's not purely a college town, though, so it's likely a very different feel than Champaign as an athlete.
 
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That's a weird feeling because Tucson is fairly large in terms of land area. It has a similar density to Indianapolis. It would be a pretty interesting place to go to school for 4 years, basketball program aside. It's not purely a college town, though, so it's likely a very different feel than Champaign as an athlete.

Though many moons ago, I spent, counting grad school, 5 yrs. in Tucson as an athlete and grad asst. Coming from Illinois, I was originally disappointed by the dust and lack of green grass. However, arising every morning with not a cloud in the sky, seeing the desert bloom in springtime, and being able to plan outdoor social activities any time of the year made me love the desert. And I did not see a scorpion or a rattlesnake in my time there. However, saw several of both in 14 yrs living in Florida.
 
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skyIdub

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Found one on the wall in the bathroom yesterday. Nothing a house slipper cant handle. First one in the house in several years....


Braun doesn't have much time to sort things out. Tucson (or anywhere in AZ for that matter) isn't a bad place to be visiting this time of year. Is Mom making this trip?

What in the holy......you know what I found on my bathroom wall yesterday? Paint. And a mirror.
 
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Agree with you, I think there may still be those basketball niche schools (Villanova, Gonzaga) who continue to succeed. But overall as a conference they are swimming upstream w/out power football programs.

Just throw this out there for the basketball value discussion, a few years old & not sure how they calculate this & some of the teams surprise me a bit, such as having us 14 & Northwesteren 15, then Michigan 16. I wouldn't have guessed us that high, nor NW being anywhere close, nor Michigan behind NW.

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/hfjj45ehmk/college-basketballs-mos/#3151526b75b7
 
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