Indy - you've had a pretty good pulse on this recruitment throughout the process; what are your thoughts on where things stand with Big Mac?
Not sure the Mark Few model is tenable in the Big Ten. Gonzaga benefits from playing in a conference (WCC) it can dominate even in a down year. Even in years they've had recruiting classes outside the top 100, they've still outrecruited the other teams in their conference. That being said, they still stack good classes together. They had the #13 2019 class and the #14 2020 class, accoring to 247. Their 2020 class consists of a 5-star and two 4-stars. For comparisons sake, there was only one other 4-star recruit in the entire WCC for the class of 2020. Their current class sits at #37, which is again good enough to be #1 in the WCC.
The Big Ten is obviously not as forgiving. In order to stay competitive I think a program like Ohio St. is the better comp. They're not killing it every year recruiting, but bringing in, at a minimum, top-50 classes every year with the occasional stellar top-5/top-10 in the nation class. Not going to get there overnight but that should be the target.
I think we agree...I just don't think we can afford some of the classes Gonzaga was able to succeed with before their more recent recruiting success, because we wouldn't make the tournament with some of those teams. But your larger point is valid, we need to build to what Gonzaga is doing now: mix of top recruits, talented 4-yr guys, and under the radar guys with potential.We may be very close here, my friend. tOSU comp is valid and quite interesting. I would, however, argue that what tOSU is doing should, depending on the year and team needs, be a floor. Perhaps the expectations are a bit lofty, but with the money that Whitman has allotted for recruiting, the ability of our staff to identify and develop next-level talent, and a system that is showing its promise, there is justification for setting the floor at a level comparable to tOSU.
It is not so much the domination of the WCC (both on-court and the recruiting trail) and the relative "soft-by-comparison" conference that my post addressed. Gonzaga went from perennial tournament sleeper to a perennial top-25 to this year's AP preseason #1. Few's model is team-based that blends coveted 5* / high 4* recruits with players at the cusp or outside the top-100 (underrated / late bloomers), top transfers and international players; said model was achieved incrementally as Few started winning and scaling his program to compete nationally. BU has / is doing the same in implementing and refining his team-based system for B1G play while targeting players that often resemble Few's (e.g., Timme and Petrusev).
The physicality needed to survive the B1G gauntlet is indeed different, but as we both referenced Few's past 2-3 classes that have ranked in the top-15 respectively, there is no reason that this staff cannot do the same should this team continue to trend upward at the rate that it is. While the physical makeup of a BU recruit may differ based on variables such as preference and fit, the cohesive blend of size and skill is similar. If BU is able to close on top talent and keep flowing a pipeline of 4yr players like Goode, we will not need a top-15 class per annum. Few loaded up over the past two seasons, and his 37th ranked '21 class adds 4* depth from within the top-60; he got what he needed, and soon enough, BU should be doing the same. Win -> recruit -> build -> restock / add when needed.
Truly nothing else needs to be said. You nailed it Indy. 8 days.Going to be an absolute battle with Miami. What I was told was late December or early January commitment. Could possibly be sooner.
The staff is well aware that he is a must get. Staff source told me today that they are going all-in on Cardet and obviously not letting up with Mac.
Obviously great to have Luke sign, I mean this kid is going to be a stud under BU. Insanely coachable. Lives in the gym. Really reminds me of a Kevin Huerter, or Jordan Poole type of a player.
All is well with recruiting. We have had our misses, but that's part of it.
We told BU to get Mark Smith, he got him. We told him to go and get Ayo, he got him. Hey, Brad, we need, a legit big guy, and he goes and gets the Freshman of the Year. Yeah that Adam Miller kid that we have been after since he was in 8th grade? He got him too.
I have learned to just relax with BU and staff in recruiting. They will figure it out. We're done with the Matic Vesel and Anthony Higgs for recruits. This staff is going to get legit players, no matter what.
Enjoy the season, with the best team we have had in a long time, and let the recruiting take care of itself when these recruits are hearing "Illinois to the Final Four!!"
Personally I think the misses are way overplayed. We have as many/more top 50 recruits in the last 4 classes as MSU & if the class is only Goode we will be ok, we could use a big, but we aren’t desperate at this point.Missing is part of recruiting, but I think the hard part for those of us that have followed it, is the frequency. The staff goes after, and seems to get pretty far with a large number of elite level recruits. Unfortunately, the closing rate on those has been low, and that's disheartening. It's also a rejection of the program, and testament to how far Illinois dropped during the Groce years, and even before that, the mediocrity with Weber. We may not like the reminder, but the program only recently made it back into national relevance, top-25 rankings, threatening for the conference title, etc.. The appeal isn't where it needs to be to overcome some of the competition.
It's a slow climb, unfortunately. Takes a lot of fan passion, a great coach, dedicated players, and an administration that supports all of those along the way. My only advice is patience --there's a long way between now and a final roster, and while we haven't hit on several top targets, it's a long way from done. Kind of trite, but these guys don't know the meaning of quit.
The issue is that there aren't any quality bigs that I can think of that are coming out this year. Casey will be a big time recruit be he is only a junior.I fully expect another recruiting nut punch on this one. We really need to start getting multiple Chicagoland talents, like we used to.
I don’t care about any of the recruits we lose. I only care about the ones we get. BU’s track record has been good enough for me to this point.I fully expect another recruiting nut punch on this one. We really need to start getting multiple Chicagoland talents, like we used to.
Will be shocked if it's not Miami. Family to Florida and his background screams Miami. Not really getting excited for yet another Tipton Edit. I really can't recall one we've ever gotten.
Sure want Mac but still remembering Giorgi as a frosh and thought he was very serviceable. Our problem then was a 6’5” power forward and we got killed on the boards. If Cole, BBV, or Jermaine develops our front line will be ok with some size at the three such as Goode. No matter who we get it is going to be a drop off from Kofi. Don’t remember an equivalent to him ever.