ITS HAPPENING GGGGGGGG
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (October 2017)
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ITS HAPPENING GGGGGGGG
Your (or anybody's) perception of his excitement is irrelevant. The kid wanted to commit.
Yeah i'll take Ayo, but let's not pretend this isn't pretty damn ugly, if even from a PR standpoint.
There was some chatter on Conditt's Twitter this afternoon indicating as much. Those tweets are now gone, FWIW.
It was the Dad, and he caught flak for it, seeing as how his kid picked a different school. Saw it was deleted soon after
That is pure conjucture and we'll have to wait and see if that's true.
i'll take that bridge if it puts us in better positions than we have been in for years.
That's interesting. It was tweeted from George Conditt's account. Are we talking about the same tweets?
Nothing to do with THT. This has nothing to do with Ayo and THT, and it is not the Simeon vs. the MIF camp. Little effect on the future, but not something that is positive for basketball in general.
He is already there b____, but we won't know if that makes him a genius or not.
TownieMatt
CU Expat
- Chicago
This is the last thing I'll say before I take a nice long hiatus from recruiting.
Illinois has a complicated relationship with Chicago because the handlers in the city think we owe them something for keeping kids in state. If we don't offer one of their kids, they hold it against us. If we take a commitment over one of their kids, they hold it against us. If one of their kids comes here and doesn't play well, they hold it against us. Hell, even if we take their kid, they expect to have a say in who else we sign.
No other major program that recruits the city has to deal with the crap that we do (here's looking at you Iowa State), because they aren't expected to sign kids out of Chicago. These Chicago handlers have no leverage over them. If they come in for a kid, but don't bow to these handler, they simply go elsewhere. They don't have to deal with them at all. If you're Illinois, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM. And as long as that's the case, these guys have total control.
What this all means is that to recruit Chicago the way we need to, we have to prove we don't need Chicago. Prove that we can win without them. If we do, their leverage is gone. Until that happens, Chicago handlers will keep walking all over us.
Illinois has a complicated relationship with Chicago because the handlers in the city think we owe them something for keeping kids in state. If we don't offer one of their kids, they hold it against us. If we take a commitment over one of their kids, they hold it against us. If one of their kids comes here and doesn't play well, they hold it against us. Hell, even if we take their kid, they expect to have a say in who else we sign.
No other major program that recruits the city has to deal with the crap that we do (here's looking at you Iowa State), because they aren't expected to sign kids out of Chicago. These Chicago handlers have no leverage over them. If they come in for a kid, but don't bow to these handler, they simply go elsewhere. They don't have to deal with them at all. If you're Illinois, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM. And as long as that's the case, these guys have total control.
What this all means is that to recruit Chicago the way we need to, we have to prove we don't need Chicago. Prove that we can win without them. If we do, their leverage is gone. Until that happens, Chicago handlers will keep walking all over us.
Your feeling is spot on, you should not be happy that we (may be) in with the Fire/Irvins. This is no less damning than the shoe company latest news if true.
It is a damn shame that a company (looking out for their own $$$) steer kids with handlers, the same as it is a shame that handlers (MIF might dictate) steer kids for their own personal agenda.
Neither is a good game to be in, quite frankly MIF/Simeon have not sent really anyone of outstanding talent to ILLINOIS, Ayo might be the first true 4-5* that is actually bona fide get for us.
I would rather BU/Whitman and the University continue to recruit elsewhere with an occasional CPL star if possible, even overseas, than be beholding to any one entity.
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You know what's really good for the Irvin brand? MIF guys winning a national championship over KU or UK or Duke at Illinois. Talk about clout.
RichBradIllini
- Peoria
My God, man, show some humanity for pete sake. Our beloved Illini staff put on a dog and pony show of epic proportions just last weekend doing everything in their power to make THT's commitment happen. After offering a scholarship to a 16 year old kid our beloved, on the same day he was set to commit, yanked it right out of his grasp.
There was nothing wrong with THT taking his time, taking all his visits and then waiting to decide until he was ready.
You're the one of those who was dismissing all the 'speculation' over the last several days and here you are speculating, spinning and twisting a story to suit your own needs. You know nothing so give the 16 year old kid a break.
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Conditt was tweeting on the replies to...I think it was Brian Snow. He said flatly that '19/'20/'21 recruits will notice this if the offer was pulled.
SuperMetroid
- Evanston
This is pretty much the dilemma isn't it? Until and unless we become the type of program that can recruit nationally, Chicago is our recruiting base. We can get some great Downstate/Peoria/St. Louis guys, but it's not going to be enough to get us to and keep us at the level we should be at.
So we're stuck playing the Chicago recruiting game, for better or worse. Sometimes that game is a whole metric crap-ton of worse. Like having to say "no" to the number 2 player in the state when he wants to commit to us worse.
Probably a good move to delete. Good catch. somehow I was still following dad but not the son, I fixed it
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
It kinda looks like there was now.
We've all been speculating for days. I dismissed it all because IMO it was blown way out of proportion.
In the end, THT and his family calculated on his behalf and made choices.
It's CBB recruiting. The kid is going to be just fine at Iowa St. Illinois was not his dream, nor was it a priority. You're acting like we pulled some emotional last minute rug out from under him.
its a calculated risk by BU. If the chicago pipeline truely flows...it will be considered a good move. Other teams will likely remind recruits of this incident though.
lol they said those didn't count they were to far back, and didn't Eddie play for
Westinghouse and Audie went to Bloom I believe, Levi did go to MP wore 23 if I remember right and know a kid names after him lol
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19, 20, and 21 non Fire players will care.
However in 19 we want Liddell, Okoro, and Whitney. Two non Chicago kids who won't care and a Fire guy that is friends with Ayo.
In 20, our top target is Adam Miller another fire guy that is friends with Ayo and Steward a suburban guy. Not to mention if we win big interest will grow.
Soooo, while this sucks, I'm not sure it majorly impacts our Chicago recruiting.
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