Illini_1979
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And, please, it's Meyers Leonard (think of the lemon).
Whenever an announcement is on the horizon, this thread degrades into [old] people deciphering social media activity in hopes of finding a treasure map, or something. It never disappoints.
We can simply agree to disagree on that I guess. Ayo wants to be a 1 or 2 and done. There aren't many schools that can boast as good a record of developing pros as Wake Forest the past decade or so.
Currently it is:
Chris Paul
Jeff Teague
Ish Smith
James Johnson
Al Farouq Aminu
John Collins
vs.
Myers Leonard
https://www.barstoolsports.com/bars...sts-50-best-coaches-in-the-country-this-year/
I can’t believe the legendary Danny Manning isn’t in this list. Shocked.
We can simply agree to disagree on that I guess. Ayo wants to be a 1 or 2 and done. There aren't many schools that can boast as good a record of developing pros as Wake Forest the past decade or so.
Currently it is:
Chris Paul
Jeff Teague
Ish Smith
James Johnson
Al Farouq Aminu
John Collins
vs.
Myers Leonard
Additionally Manning is a 17 year NBA vet and was the #1 overall pick himself. Underwood is a good coach and has had a lot of success, and most likely is going to win a lot of games. If Ayo is looking at the NBA as his goal (which it clearly is), Wake Forest seems to have the upper hand.
How many GM's does Underwood have on speed dial? How many former players? How many mentors can Manning produce to help Ayo reach his NBA potential vs. how many can Underwood produce? IT doesn't mean that Manning is a better X's and O's coach, it just means that he was one of the greatest college players of all time, and had a long and succesfull NBA career that netted him a massive network of pros. Its a huge advantage in recruiting, and I think it is why Wake has seen some recruiting success even though the Win / Loss record doesn't match up quite yet. We really didn't deserve to sign Olivier Sarr, Chaundee Brown, Jaylen Hoard, or Isaiah Mucius, but we did mainly because of the pro experience of our staff in Manning and additionally with Chilldress.
I think he has a purpose, I am just not sure what the purpose is, but I don't think for a second he is just tweeting willy nilly. The kid is smart, and his family has a plan this entire time.
Deron is no longer in the league. Was just using active NBA players. ^^^ Didn't realize Brandon Paul had signed. Not exactly the best representative you want to tout to a recruit considering he is 26 and has yet to play a game. But I do think he is technically in the league (might be a 2 way contract though...right?)
Man, you're coming on here talking up your team and making comparisons on an Illini message board? Are you looking to start arguments?
If it goes my way I'll give you your space.
We can simply agree to disagree on that I guess. Ayo wants to be a 1 or 2 and done. There aren't many schools that can boast as good a record of developing pros as Wake Forest the past decade or so.
Currently it is:
Chris Paul
Jeff Teague
Ish Smith
James Johnson
Al Farouq Aminu
John Collins
vs.
Myers Leonard
Additionally Manning is a 17 year NBA vet and was the #1 overall pick himself. Underwood is a good coach and has had a lot of success, and most likely is going to win a lot of games. If Ayo is looking at the NBA as his goal (which it clearly is), Wake Forest seems to have the upper hand.
How many GM's does Underwood have on speed dial? How many former players? How many mentors can Manning produce to help Ayo reach his NBA potential vs. how many can Underwood produce? IT doesn't mean that Manning is a better X's and O's coach, it just means that he was one of the greatest college players of all time, and had a long and succesfull NBA career that netted him a massive network of pros. Its a huge advantage in recruiting, and I think it is why Wake has seen some recruiting success even though the Win / Loss record doesn't match up quite yet. We really didn't deserve to sign Olivier Sarr, Chaundee Brown, Jaylen Hoard, or Isaiah Mucius, but we did mainly because of the pro experience of our staff in Manning and additionally with Chilldress.
A. I can state with absolute certainty that Ayo's ideal situation is to play 1 year of college basketball, be drafted in the lottery and make millions of dollars playing the game he loves. I can also state with certainty that if Ayo doesn't declare for the NBA after his first year that his 2nd choice would be to play two years of college basketball, be drafted in the lottery and make millions of dollars playing the game he loves.
B. Moot point. Was discussing Ayo's primary objective of advancing his career.
C. Was using a list of active players. Did leave out Brandon Paul of the San Antonio Spurs / Austin Spurs
D. That is a great contact to have. Doesn't negate that Manning had almost a 20 year playing career, and is a former player that can get a meeting with anyone at any time in the world of basketball simply because he is Danny Manning.
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I am going to back off . Going too far down the rabbit hole it seems. Good luck tomorrow. If it goes your way I will most certainly come back to wish you the best. If it goes my way I'll give you your space. I have been assured that the insider information tells me that Illinois has Ayo in the bag (from Illinois insiders). I'll believe it tomorrow I guess.
While it left out Brandon Paul, I think the comparison was for those currently playing in the NBA. Which is fair, but not really relevant to the coaches involved.
What I find amusing is the glass-house mentality of many posters on the Wake board. In the past ten years, Wake has won 60 conferences games; we've won 78. They've been to the First Four once, the First Round once, and the Second Round once; we've been to the First Round once and the Second Round twice.
Really? Absolute certainty? This means you have an actual quote from Ayo stating these intentions. Let's see the link?
It's not a moot point because you chose to use those examples as an indication of what Ayo could expect simply by choosing WF.
Lastly, good idea. You aren't going down a rabbit hole, you are digging it.
A little hyperbole on his part, but don't you think that is an "ideal" situation for any player?
You don't think Smith, Williams, Frazier or even Spicy G wouldn't leave after one or even two years if they were guaranteed lottery pick?
Not likely, but wouldn't it be ideal for them?
Another WF re-tweet from Ayo.
https://twitter.com/qwiktrip/status/920759471525302273
Literally no Illinois retweets since his visit ended versus a dozen or so for WF. He's either trying to let us down early or doing an epic troll job on WF.
Is there really a point in discussing players at either school that have gone pro in the last 10 years when barely any of them were coached by the current coach?
Danny gets John Collins and Brad gets Jawun Evans
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While it left out Brandon Paul, I think the comparison was for those currently playing in the NBA. Which is fair, but not really relevant to the coaches involved.
What I find amusing is the glass-house mentality of many posters on the Wake board. In the past ten years, Wake has won 60 conferences games; we've won 78. They've been to the First Four once, the First Round once, and the Second Round once; we've been to the First Round once and the Second Round twice.
I see the basis for his point, and for your question. I suppose the extra qualifications of "drafted in the lottery" and make "millions" of dollars would be seen as "ideal" for a majority of players. But how could we possibly know that a kid doesn't see winning NCAA titles and getting a degree as "ideal"?
Hyperbole on my part as well.
My point was it's not a certainty, it's just more of us speculating.
Bruce Weber has coached 43 players that have played professionally.
Only 18 days, I didn't check that first. You are likely right.