Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2016)

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The Big East is a power conference in basketball.

Power conferences was really a term created by football. I know that in basketball people say P6 or the P5+1 (big east) but the big east has lost its prestige and status. While many may say that Butler and Creighton have now become "high-majors" this is more of an artificial elevation in status than a real one. A lot of people (I am in that group), still consider Butler and Creighton mid-majors, although if you go by definition (P6) as mentioned in my original post, they are high-majors.
 
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Purdues strategy of targeting many of the same recruits as MSU and hoping Izzo leaves them some leftovers is not working out too well.
 
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Purdues strategy of targeting many of the same recruits as MSU and hoping Izzo leaves them some leftovers is not working out too well.

:thumb:To say the least. On the other hand, Izzo abandoning his Chicago pipeline strategy is paying off in a big way. (Nojel might be the exception.)
 
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Purdues strategy of targeting many of the same recruits as MSU and hoping Izzo leaves them some leftovers is not working out too well.

I think you can say that for most schools recruiting highly ranked players. If you recruit highly ranked players, chances are that you will run into big time programs, coaches, and recruiters. So you will lose most of the battles. That is OK, the key is what recruits you end up with despite losing battles. It worked for Purdue with Caleb Swanigan, so had they avoided competition, they would not have gotten him. Same for us with many recruits, including Wilkes. You have to be in it to win it.
 
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I think you can say that for most schools recruiting highly ranked players. If you recruit highly ranked players, chances are that you will run into big time programs, coaches, and recruiters. So you will lose most of the battles. That is OK, the key is what recruits you end up with despite losing battles. It worked for Purdue with Caleb Swanigan, so had they avoided competition, they would not have gotten him. Same for us with many recruits, including Wilkes. You have to be in it to win it.

It's one thing to be in it. It's another to lose recruit after recruit to the same school the same year.
 
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It's one thing to be in it. It's another to lose recruit after recruit to the same school the same year.

Recruit after recruit is highly exaggerated, as MSU has had 2 recruits. Purdue will lose to MSU most of the times, but again, last year it landed them Swanigan.

Illinois regularly lost multiple recruits to some of the best programs, including Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, even during the best recruiting years of Henson, Self, etc. Eventually, it is who you get that defines your program, not who you lose.
 
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Swanigan was originally an MSU commit until that recruitment got dirty.

The bottom line is that Purdue got Swanigan. You can use message boards as a guide, and hearsay, but many have said that about Illinois during the best recruiting years.

The question is about strategy here. Purdue will lose most times to MSU than not, and so will we against many top programs. But eventually is who you end up with. If later it lands you on probation, that is something to consider as well. But as far as I know, it has not happened for Purdue yet.
 
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1999=Purdue=2 year probation.

We are talking about Purdue with respect to Painter. I am very familiar with the Frank Kendrick incident, but it has nothing to do with Painter and the Swanigan recruitment. If the Swanigan recruitment (or other recruitments) end up getting Painter on probation that is definitely something to consider. The same with our incidents in the Henson and White era, very little to do with Groce and Lovie, not matter what anyone's stance is on what happened back then.
 
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Power conferences was really a term created by football. I know that in basketball people say P6 or the P5+1 (big east) but the big east has lost its prestige and status. While many may say that Butler and Creighton have now become "high-majors" this is more of an artificial elevation in status than a real one. A lot of people (I am in that group), still consider Butler and Creighton mid-majors, although if you go by definition (P6) as mentioned in my original post, they are high-majors.

Rumor has it that UConn is going to give up the football dream when the Big 12 expands (or not) without them and join the Big East.

At that point (and they'll probably add a Temple-type to balance it out) I think we can all just come to terms with the Power Five including the Big East for basketball purposes.

The AAC will die and there will be a very clear delineation between the Top 6 and everyone else.
 
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Rumor has it that UConn is going to give up the football dream when the Big 12 expands (or not) without them and join the Big East.

At that point (and they'll probably add a Temple-type to balance it out) I think we can all just come to terms with the Power Five including the Big East for basketball purposes.

The AAC will die and there will be a very clear delineation between the Top 6 and everyone else.

Without football, it is impossible for a school to co-exist in the same conference with football schools, given current sports dynamics. For the simple reason that revenue sharing becomes impossible, and the conference breaks up. So what happened in the Big East (the old big east) was inevitable.

Now, the terms "high major," mid-major," "low-major," were mostly what I call "created" terms to signify strength, that eventually took a life of their own in publications and media with people making association with conferences etc. That is fine, and as I said in my statement, it really often depends on "definition" that people associate. IMO it is less important but others feel more strongly.

For example, I do not consider UConn a mid-major in basketball, independent of conference, for the same reason that I never considered Louisville a mid-major, even when they were in C-USA, etc. Similarly, just because Butler or Creighton joined the water-down new Big East, I still do not all of a sudden personally consider them "high-majors." But as I said, others may go by strict definitions and associate other meaning. That's OK, it is more semantics than anything else, not as important. For example, when I say it would be to Coach ABC's best interest to get a job at a mid-major, I do not have Louisville or UConn in mind.
 
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I find it interesting that 2017 6'10" Clifton Moore, Jr is on an OV to IU this weekend. For some reason, I thought this was also Wilkes' weekend to BTown. :)
 
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I find it interesting that 2017 6'10" Clifton Moore, Jr is on an OV to IU this weekend. For some reason, I thought this was also Wilkes' weekend to BTown. :)

Wilkes is visiting IU this weekend it appears. I could only find it in a headline on Scout bc the article and interview are premium content. Hopefully there will be some free stuff available to read afterwards.
 
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Theory amongst Hoosier fans is Moore was brought weekend to illustrate to Wilkes that even if a starter goes down we won't need him in the post.
 
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Wilkes is visiting IU this weekend it appears. I could only find it in a headline on Scout bc the article and interview are premium content. Hopefully there will be some free stuff available to read afterwards.

Looks like he made it. I'm not sure he realizes that on an OV you can upgrade from Arby's.:D
 

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Just reading the board lately. I think Purdue's program is on the verge of being in some serious trouble in two years' time. They have to find some capable players.

I think many are expending a lot of energy on here about Kris Wilkes. I'm as guilty as others. I'd love to think he's coming to Illinois but I can't think of anything UI can offer right now that IU can't. And Groce's position may be filled by someone else soon. Which is too bad as I like him, personally, a lot.
 
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Just reading the board lately. I think Purdue's program is on the verge of being in some serious trouble in two years' time. They have to find some capable players.

I think many are expending a lot of energy on here about Kris Wilkes. I'm as guilty as others. I'd love to think he's coming to Illinois but I can't think of anything UI can offer right now that IU can't. And Groce's position may be filled by someone else soon. Which is too bad as I like him, personally, a lot.

I think you personally like Crean a lot as well, and you've been thinking of him at nights lately. A lot... :D
 
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