What's the split on posters who get/don't get this joke?I called collect. When the automation said, "you have a collect call from ______" I screamed, "do you want to come to Illinois?" I'll let you know.
What's the split on posters who get/don't get this joke?I called collect. When the automation said, "you have a collect call from ______" I screamed, "do you want to come to Illinois?" I'll let you know.
Anyone born after 1993 *probably* have no clueWhat's the split on posters who get/don't get this joke?
Not at all. He’s a good player but hardly a star you can sell to a transfer/recruit. We’re looking at losing 4 starters and 6 of 8 rotation players, 2 all Americans among them. Prospective players are rightly seeing this as a rebuild.Ummmm is Grandison chopped liver?
They should be seeing it as a prime opportunity for playing time under a coaching staff that has shown they can win with the right players. When we are good and have talented players, many here say it's going to be hard to recruit because we don't have playing time to offer. When we lose 75+% of minutes to graduation, transfer, or going pro, some of those same people say "well it's going to be hard to recruit here, we're in a rebuild". I think our slogan here should be "Always half empty".Not at all. He’s a good player but hardly a star you can sell to a transfer/recruit. We’re looking at losing 4 starters and 6 of 8 rotation players, 2 all Americans among them. Prospective players are rightly seeing this as a rebuild.
But 60% of them won’t be here.I mean, to me, a team with Curbelo, Miller, Grandison, Mitchell and Kofi as the starting 5 has a legit shot to get a double bye in the Big Ten and is probably the best frontcourt in the country (I’ve watched a decent bit of Mitchell, and he’s really that good). I don’t think missing on one of those pieces takes us off the bubble next year. Whiff on all 3, and then let’s talk...
So a 12-21 team had all those guys and 2 years later nearly all the same guys are a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament, and they weren’t coached up? If anything, you made my point.Who did they coach up Underwood's first 2 seasons when Kofi wasn't on the team? Those first 2 Underwood teams were bad. 14-18, 12-21 level bad. I'd argue the 14-18 team didn't have much talent, and it was Underwood's first season so I'll give him a pass. But the 12-21 team had Ayo, Giorgi, Frazier, Feliz all on it. So I think the jury is definitely out on whether Underwood can coach up inferior talent since he hasn't at Illinois. Which is people take recruiting misses very hard. We know this staff can win with high end talent. But if they don't have it, the results haven't been good.
Crow eaten.This reputable site has him going late 2nd round.
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It may have been posted, but why did Hutch not start his college career at a D1 school? Late bloomer?Easily the funniest thing I've seen on here. Thank you
Black,Tejon.Who did they coach up Underwood's first 2 seasons when Kofi wasn't on the team? Those first 2 Underwood teams were bad. 14-18, 12-21 level bad. I'd argue the 14-18 team didn't have much talent, and it was Underwood's first season so I'll give him a pass. But the 12-21 team had Ayo, Giorgi, Frazier, Feliz all on it. So I think the jury is definitely out on whether Underwood can coach up inferior talent since he hasn't at Illinois. Which is people take recruiting misses very hard. We know this staff can win with high end talent. But if they don't have it, the results haven't been good.
I think your and CYE’s post illustrate the disconnect between two groups of posters. The guys recruited for next year thus far have talent and should be contributors or more during their Illinois careers, but certainly big question marks as to the impact they’ll have on overall team performance next year. With who we know we are losing (Ayo and Giorgi) and who it is possible to very likely we are losing (Kofi, AM, DMW and Trent), it seems a stretch that the 3 new recruits, oft injured Hutch and BBV, and big steps forward by Curbelo and Hawk are enough to keep the team squarely in the tourney let alone at the same level as this year. So far the team has missed on bringing in some other players for this year that seemingly would have helped with the former. Obviously still time, but understandable for some angst. I do agree that the likelihood of going back to the level of “success” next year of BU’s first two teams is unlikely. But I think I can speak for most fans in saying we’re hoping for another tourney bid without riding the bubble.So a 12-21 team had all those guys and 2 years later nearly all the same guys are a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament, and they weren’t coached up? If anything, you made my point.
I’m talking about developing players over time. Ayo certainly didn’t show up NBA ready. He wasn’t even All -Conference. A lot of folks wondered loudly on this board if he could ever get there. Kofi was a giant mass of potential, but wasn’t really good at anything except being really big. Trent and Demonte weren’t exactly lock down defensive players & Demonte couldn’t throw water in the ocean.
Walk ons...as far as the eye can see...This thread is getting great.
So who thinks we’ll have enough players to field a team next season?
Because of his back injury in HS.It may have been posted, but why did Hutch not start his college career at a D1 school? Late bloomer?
That mock draft was 3/29 the ones now dont have Kofi listed at all.Crow eaten.
Sometimes, as a fan base, we can be the worst, and have the memory of a goldfish.
We just had an amazing season—most B10 wins in Illinois history. But, we had a heartbreaking loss in the round of 32 and so many can’t (or choose not to) remember anything before that. Underwood came into a dumpster fire. We had two losing seasons under him as he started to rebuild. In 2020, if it weren’t for the pandemic, Illinois would have made another tourney appearance with a solid seed. This year, we were a number 1 seed. Someone transfers, some targets go elsewhere, you ignore new recruits, and suddenly the majority of the fan base questions if BU is going to be successful and you question his recruiting abilities. Ffs, folks...
Dan, maybe you could create a “Festivus” thread where everyone can air all of their grievances. It may be therapeutic for our fan base.
I would assume they already are. And it wouldn't look desperate anyway.F it. Put the press on Miller to return. Who cares if you look desperate.
I hate the strawman arguments. I don't think anyone is questioning if BU is a good coach and we're a good program. I think there's a lot of legitimate nervousness and anxiety about next year's team. The last 2 years are really what are making us feel this way, as those seasons have shown us what we can be and raised expectations to a very competitive and fun level.Sometimes, as a fan base, we can be the worst, and have the memory of a goldfish.
We just had an amazing season—most B10 wins in Illinois history. But, we had a heartbreaking loss in the round of 32 and so many can’t (or choose not to) remember anything before that. Underwood came into a dumpster fire. We had two losing seasons under him as he started to rebuild. In 2020, if it weren’t for the pandemic, Illinois would have made another tourney appearance with a solid seed. This year, we were a number 1 seed. Someone transfers, some targets go elsewhere, you ignore new recruits, and suddenly the majority of the fan base questions if BU is going to be successful and you question his recruiting abilities. Ffs, folks...
Dan, maybe you could create a “Festivus” thread where everyone can air all of their grievances. It may be therapeutic for our fan base.
Based on his numbers he's essentially the Russian Brandon Lieb.Big 7 footer from the Zags has entered the portal. Highly rated that never really cemented himself there. Maybe Gentry has a connection, being an assistant when he committed there. Wishful thinking I suppose. The list of suitors will be long as well I'd assume.
Hoping Kofi's decision doesn't cripple the team. He has to do what's best for himself though.
I'd say you are way off, but that would be generous.Based on his numbers he's essentially the Russian Brandon Lieb.
For those who are curious, it's this guy. I'd take a flyer on him, for sure.I'd say you are way off, but that would be generous.
Pavel Zakharov: 10 games, 4.5 mpg, 0.8pts, 0.4 rebounds, 0 assistsI'd say you are way off, but that would be generous.