Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of May 17th, 2021)

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Forgottonia
Not a target, but a familiar name....Alonzo Verge Jr in the portal as a grad transfer from ASU.
 
#428      
Not a target, but a familiar name....Alonzo Verge Jr in the portal as a grad transfer from ASU.
I feel pretty vindicated in that I didn’t want him here. His style of play is not team ball oriented. Him and Remy Martin together were a disaster.
 
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So you don't care what happens to these athletes that don't achieve their goal and have nothing to fall back on?

First, nothing happens because this league is new and we have no actual idea how this will play out.

Second, you are missing the point. The point is that these athletes in revenue sports are already exploited heavily in the existing NCAA system. NCAA sports is a multibillion dollar industry, and these kids get in trouble over a free sandwich. Anyone who is concerned with exploitation without being concerned about the current system either isn't paying attention or doesn't actually care about exploitation.
 
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I might be in the minority in regards to this, but:
As far as recruits going to the G-league, other pro start ups, etc.....I don’t really care in the end. I’m a Illinois basketball fan first and foremost. I want to see us win a national championship, and that’s it. I’m not as concerned as if it’s with future NBA players on our team or the others or not. If they wear our jersey, that’s all that matters. Unless every 5 star who likes Illinois chooses the G league it doesn’t bother me. I just want to see the Illini win a natty!
 
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What WILL the market bear? Is there really enough interest in a league without any professional or college affiliations? It’s just not going to be good basketball (in my opinion) watching an NBA-style game with worse players. One of the things I like about college is the variations in styles and systems and talent levels — it’s intriguing and surprising. The NBA game, by comparison, seems relatively boring for most of each game.

Maybe it will be like triple-a ball, but doesn’t seem like the triple-a model will support the players making a half mill a year.
The TBT tourney was very entertaining.
 
#434      
Chicago, IL
So you don't care what happens to these athletes that don't achieve their goal and have nothing to fall back on?
This is such a weak argument. There are literally thousands of college students who drop out each year and end up fine with regards to their employment.

I'm saying this as a postsecondary counselor (what college counselors like to call ourselves now). College is not the only answer to what you want to do in life. For a long time it was shoved down people's throats as being the key to middle class stability, but those days are over with the increase in the cost of attendance across the nation. For some people, it's better that they don't waste their time in class; sometimes that means going into apprenticeship programs and I don't see these semi-pro leagues as being any different than that.

These kids will finish their high school diplomas (and honestly whatever program they have them complete is probably as rigorous as 80% of high schools out there since rigor at your average American high school is now a joke) and try their hand at pro ball. Some may never make it and have to switch careers, but that also happens to non-athletes.

TL;DR: This may change the landscape of college basketball, but will likely improve things for the student-athlete in the process. It's disingenuous to act like it won't or that anyone who doesn't end up with a college degree is totally screwed in life.
 
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Second, you are missing the point. The point is that these athletes in revenue sports are already exploited heavily in the existing NCAA system. NCAA sports is a multibillion dollar industry, and these kids get in trouble over a free sandwich. Anyone who is concerned with exploitation without being concerned about the current system either isn't paying attention or doesn't actually care about exploitation.

Right. The status quo in football and men's hoops is so inequitable that a blind man can see it.

WRT dreams being dashed and nothing to fall back on: the former is simply the nature of competitive sports. Not much room at the top of the pyramid. The latter is primarily one's own fault for not preparing for an alternate (and much more likely) path.
 
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Topsail, NC
So you don't care what happens to these athletes that don't achieve their goal and have nothing to fall back on?

So you think that going to college is the only choice to live a good life or be successsful. College is not that only choice if basketball doesn't work out.
That thought process is such Bullsh$t. There are many career paths don't require a degree that are very rewarding and lucrative.
 
#439      
Wilmette, IL
The TBT tourney was very entertaining.
Totally agree, but those guys weren't trying to emulate the NBA game, per se. And they were playing in an all-or-nothing format. And the Elam Ending is awesome. And it was a single tournament -- not a season-long league. There's a whole lot of differences between the TBT and this new league.
 
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A few local kids getting some attention on the AAU circuit this summer. Jalen Quinn from Tuscola and Ty Pence from St. Joseph-Ogden. Will be interesting to see if they progress to Big 10 offer caliber guys.
 
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I hope there aren't too many who believe that paying a young kids tens of thousands of dollars to play a sport he loves is "taking advantage" of them. Minor league baseball salaries are generally pretty pathetic but can be sustained because kids don't have a high standard of living that they need to meet and they love baseball. Just like young people who take a year off to tour Europe. There's a time to take a flyer on ventures like that and it's when you're young.

Colleges and their fans are going to miss out some pretty special players. So that's too bad for the game. It's already happened over history, but it's going to be even worse now. But I'm happy for the players.

What really sucks is recruiting. If you've ever talked to a college baseball coach, you know how challenging it is to try to figure out what players you can go after that will hold their commitment after a bonus comes their way.
 
#446      
I hope there aren't too many who believe that paying a young kids tens of thousands of dollars to play a sport he loves is "taking advantage" of them. Minor league baseball salaries are generally pretty pathetic but can be sustained because kids don't have a high standard of living that they need to meet and they love baseball. Just like young people who take a year off to tour Europe. There's a time to take a flyer on ventures like that and it's when you're young.

Colleges and their fans are going to miss out some pretty special players. So that's too bad for the game. It's already happened over history, but it's going to be even worse now. But I'm happy for the players.

What really sucks is recruiting. If you've ever talked to a college baseball coach, you know how challenging it is to try to figure out what players you can go after that will hold their commitment after a bonus comes their way.
Minor league baseball is a terrible comp, because the revenues it generates are a pittance compared to D1 football and hoops,
 
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Minor league baseball is a terrible comp, because the revenues it generates are a pittance compared to D1 football and hoops,
It's not if you're talking about the athletes which is what I'm talking about.

Kids given a chance to play the sport they love for money. Many will do it. Many will"fail" from a career standpoint. Many will adjust fine afterwards and have a good life.

That's been the history of the minors.
 
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