Sure sounds like the MIF relationship is damaged in a big way.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of April 5th, 2021)
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TheFameProtector
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This is an admittedly reductive way to look at it and not the entirety of how I view things, but if AM isn't getting the fandom people around him think he deserves then he probably hasn't hit the levels many of us think he is capable of hitting. And if he doesn't play that well, then him choosing to actually transfer out would be less painful than it seems right now.
I get that it can be painful/infuriating to see a guy want to transfer out, but it's literally happening with ~25% of college players right now. Sure, not all of them are in situations where they seem to have everything at their fingertips, but a good chunk definitely do and you can't be angry at everybody (well you can, but what's the point?). Most importantly, we are operating on asymmetric information here; we don't have the full context for what spurred this action. If he wants to come back, I think we should cut him some slack.
Love to know why. Seems like we did good by Ayo. Miller got 27 minutes a game as a Freshman in the Big 10 season. If the MIF is unhappy, dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
Using my Kedric algorithm, this means Franklin is a lock to return to IU.
Joel Goodson
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Not sure if I'd cite Prince here, but ok.
illini80
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I like Ked personally, but he has been ‘surprised” many times.
I agree Ked overhypes things, but I tend to listen to the small nuggets he gives given he is speaking directly to families. Also he said Podziemski and his family just returned from a vacation. Little nuggets like that. Provides context on what's going on in the background which is all you can really ask for
Armaan Franklin reposted Lander and Geronimo's announcement that they're coming back. Interpret that however you want.
Armaan Franklin reposted Lander and Geronimo's announcement that they're coming back. Interpret that however you want.
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I have always been of the mind that winning solves a lot of the recruiting problems we’ve had over the years. I’ll modify that line of thinking to apply only to out of state recruiting. Chicago recruiting will always suck. St. Louis recruiting has sucked for a while.
JFGsCoffeeMug
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If I had to guess, they might be generally unhappy about a non-Chicago kid (Belo) getting more of a spotlight than a Chicago one (AM). It's not necessarily logical. It probably also doesn't take into account the fact that there's only so much the staff can do to highlight a particular player and actual play on the court ultimately determines who gets local and national attention.
If I had to guess further, there might have been an explicit or unstated expectation that Miller would be groomed as the face of the program following Ayo (especially with Chin on our staff). That's clearly what's best for MIF. Now that it seems unlikely to happen, MIF might feel like we didn't keep up our end of the bargain. Again, not necessarily entirely logical or reasonable, but certainly understandable from their perspective.
Mostly I want him back because I think he’s the type of kid that will wish he’d stayed fifteen years from now. His family have been Illinois kids and he’s a good player.
Ked is the all time leader in being a Homer. The Homer of all Homers
Well....than they either aren’t logical or don’t know basketball. Miller is NOT a PG. Not quick enough.....nor a good enough handle. If they can’t see that, I can’t help them.
Being face of program is earned by play.....not given. No reason he couldn’t have gotten to that point.....but need to earn it.
You have to track how many beach houses you lostCan we start tracking percentage of accurate predictions on here like 247 and others do with crystal balls? Most of them are in the 80% and above bracket. Ours are in the .08% bracket!
Choosing us? Lol what? The dude refused to sign in the fall, waited until the last minute to sign in the spring, and now up and leaves without really discussing it with the coaching staff (from what I’ve read). No, I don’t want someone like that on the team.
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Agree, it's always something somebody is not happy with. Seems it has been that way for many years with instate recruiting at IL. Ayo was such a refreshing exception....wish more could be like him, no drama, nothing but hard work and repping the home state school. What a tremendous asset he's been for 3 years. A lot of younger players could learn A LOT by following his lead.
I'd be surprised if he doesn't go back there after they got TJD and Lander back
You take Miller back with open arms. Cant fault the kid for getting bad advice and then deciding not to listen to that advice and do what HE wants and what HE thinks is best for him.
I guess I don’t understand the perceived hate towards the kid.
I guess I don’t understand the perceived hate towards the kid.
How many people are transferring from 1 seeds? And averaging 8-10 points as a freshman, behind Ayo.
ummmm, no. I think it depends on why he entered the portal. Is he going to threaten to quit every time he doesn't get his or his family's way? Does the team want him back?
Bye bye Franklin then.
Sounding like the TFProfessor/lawyer, lol
Human relationships are complex. These kinds of grievances and resentments simmer below the surface in any group of people, whether that be a classroom, office or basketball team (if you've seen The Last Dance, a team can win despite grievances that will persist to the grave for some of these guys). Chemistry isn't about not having issues, that's impossible. At the risk of sounding incredibly sappy, it's about having more that binds you than divides you and working through those issues. These issues didn't just pop up out of nowhere. Clearly there are some in AM's camp that have felt this way for a while. We had a pretty successful season despite that.
If he decides to come back, I'd assume it would be partly the result of some discussion with staff and teammates. I'd trust those discussions as evidence that whatever issues that exist can be worked through, as they apparently were this past season. If it's truly not something that can be repaired, then I'd assume he won't come back.
Kids make mistakes....especially when being pressured by family. Wow....glad none of you were my parents. Not very forgiving.
And....you’ve already lost any relationship with Simeon. If Miller asks back, and we say no, we will be DONE in Chicago and we won’t have helped ourselves in Peoria.
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