MoCoMdIllini
- Montgomery County, Maryland
Maybe they meant "All Time" as "All the Time since the Transfer Portal."
I dunno.
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I dunno.
Give ray rice (the good one) some love here as well. impactful for more than 1 season as well
Plummer is going to be perennially overrated by the history books in this sort of thing because he's now a guy who received All Big Ten accolades on a team that won a Big Ten Championship. He was important, but I thought Third Team All Big Ten was awfully generous and almost certainly does not happen if Wisconsin doesn't choke against Nebraska at the end of the season. As good as he was shooting, he was pretty unplayable on the defensive end.
Anyone familiar with Illini basketball history would know Battle > Plummer very comfortably as far as impact transfers.
I'd put Rice ahead of Plummer too. Very good player that I wish we had grabbed out of high school (this was a big miss by Weber with a kid right in his backyard whose dream school was Illinois). Sucks that he wasn't on good teams while he was here, I don't think there's any chance we get to the NIT without him here in 2013-14 and 2014-15... he could have been a really key contributor for the 2012-13 team which DID have potential if he came here out of high school, as that would have been his Junior season and he would have made a bigger impact than McLaurin and Bertrand for sure.
Any transfer that comes to Illinois would do well to even be in the conversation with Kenny Battle. KB was a special player
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Kenny is a legend. I recall reading (or seeing) an interview with Doug Altenberger at some point 10-15 years ago. He noted that Battle brought unrivalled intensity to practice every day. IIRC he said that he never encountered someone as fearsome in a game as he did Kenny in practice. He apparently practiced, every day, as if he were playing in the Final Four.
chiefini
- Rockford, Illinois
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Actually, all time means as far back as 247's records go. Accurate back to 2010. .
Spotty to 2002. They somehow have Tyler Griffey ranked ahead of Brandon Paul and DJ Richardson in 2009.
They have Deron as our only 2002 recruit.
Also, pretty sure they go by their ranking, not performance.
They have JR as our best all time recruit, their database excludes Dee Brown et al
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6 of our top 12 all time ranked recruits during the Brad Underwood era. In 5 years nonetheless. My god are we in a good place right now.They have JR as our best all time recruit, their database excludes Dee Brown et al
6 of the top 12 since 2003, per 247 composite.
Well, yes. I know some of the dudes back in the flyin' illini days and before were national top 10 players. Let's just call it modern day. Quite the step up from Weber and Groce, to say the least.
Joel Goodson
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There's no questioning the talent. A few years ago he'd have been a left nut kind of a get.
lol that's an understatement imo but yeah I can't emphasize enough how much I don't miss Weber or Gross as our coach. We are finally getting studs that want to be a part of Illini basketball . Coach Underwood inherited a dumpster fire and has done an exceptional job getting us back to where we all want Illinois to be and he's only getting started and seems to have the players all in on achieving the ultimate goal of being elite. and I for one can't wait for this upcoming season and the future of Illinois basketball.
GO ILLINI!
I'm still getting used to the idea we can be picky about recruits. Still feels weird to talk about whether this or that top 50 recruit is a better fit. It's definitely a nice place to be.
Yup. Great shooter, but poor on defense and not very good handles for a 5'11 guy. When we brought him in, the thought was that he would come off the bench when either Trent or Andre was out and be sort of a microwave (ala Vinnie Johnson). Curbelo was never really healthy, so Plummer was pushed into a starting role. But thank God we had him as I'm not sure what our next option would have been at guard.
They only went back to 2000 for any school. There are plenty of transfers that they probably missed by not putting in the effort to go back further. Larry Bird was enrolled at Indiana for a month before he transferred to Indiana State.
Ramey to Arizona
lol I admit that I haven't followed his recruitment closely at all (wasn't aware that he switched from so many high schools) A lot of Dior's high school high lights/mixtapes videos give me Sebastian Telfair vibes during his highly publicized high school recruitment back in the early 2000s (before Youtube or Twitter ever existed...oh those were the days!) Ironically they are both from NYC.
IMO he's worth the risk but what do I know anyways. I'm just some anonymous jerk off on a sports forum.
well, they have plenty of transfers listed here prior to 2010. He also mentions KB as an aside.Actually, all time means as far back as 247's records go. Accurate back to 2010. .
Spotty to 2002. They somehow have Tyler Griffey ranked ahead of Brandon Paul and DJ Richardson in 2009.
They have Deron as our only 2002 recruit.
Also, pretty sure they go by their ranking, not performance.
They have JR as our best all time recruit, their database excludes Dee Brown et al
So they headline it with "All-time" and then in the article write "modern era". They obviously didn't mean "all-time" and don't define "modern era" 20 years seems like a pretty short time span and usually "eras" are defined by an event of sorts. AFL-NFL merger. Blacks coming into baseball. Three point shot, or shot clock or tourney expansion.
According to his ESPN profile Gasaway began covering college basketball in 2004. i.e. "College basketball began to matter when I began to cover it."
I am multitasking, and should have been more clear. Also should have read the entire ESPN article. I saw the word modern and assumed he was using a digital database that simply would have excluded KB.
As an example, I noted, 247's database goes back to 2002, but is only accurate to 2010. I cited two examples. Their record of our 2009 class somehow has TG as our top recruit. Their record of our 2002 class has Deron Williams as our only recruit. So in calculating top recruits, Dee Brown, Augie, Rev Powell, and everyone prior to 2002 is excluded.
i was guessing it was something similar. A recency bias aggravated by inaccuracy of older digital records. Maybe not, since he mentions KB, but does not define modern era?
Other old timers: Derek Holcomb, Jeff Dawson, Jodie Harrison..
uofi7477
- Silver & Gold Vandals
Goode!
Weber's terrible recruiting when we were at our program's apex really set us back at least a decade. Groce seemed like a nice enough guy and he had a lot of bad luck throughout his tenure but he wasn't the guy to slow down the negative momentum. Underwood was a homerun of a hire by Whitman. Even once he is done (hopefully not for a while), we will be in a great spot to land another great coach afterwards.lol that's an understatement imo but yeah I can't emphasize enough how much I don't miss Weber or Gross as our coach. We are finally getting studs that want to be a part of Illini basketball . Coach Underwood inherited a dumpster fire and has done an exceptional job getting us back to where we all want Illinois to be and he's only getting started and seems to have the players all in on achieving the ultimate goal of being elite. and I for one can't wait for this upcoming season and the future of Illinois basketball.
GO ILLINI!
Sorry Terrence Shannon, Jr. and Matthew Mayer, Alphonso Plummer is still the best transfer into our program per ESPN:
Who are the best all-time transfers in and out of every Big Ten school?
From Illinois to Wisconsin, who's the most significant transfer to play at every Big Ten school? Who's the one player who got away for each?www.espn.com
(Also, Michigan's best transfer is Hunter Robinson...but unless my eyes deceive me, it was actually a younger version of Missouri Senator Josh Hawley.)View attachment 18517
better doppelganger in my opinion
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