Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
sacraig
- The desert
Yeah he was a rebounding machine. He never quite put it all together on offense (though he's still 27th all time in points) but man could he clean the glass.Didn't realize that he is in second place in career rebounds @ UofI.
Have to remember, though, that his stats were misleading. He was only getting the rebounds that came right to him. /s
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
love, love, love this kid's game, but I think Nojus is gonna take that ride:
just to be clear, great problem to have.
just to be clear, great problem to have.
Well let’s give him some credit for being in the right place at the right time
Long way to go on the '024's
McGee wasn't "really good" in college even. The board would have absolutely been disappointed, AT THAT TIME, if we took McGee over Carlwell.
Joel Goodson
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I wasn't impressed by Carlwell, but you're 100% correct.
sacraig
- The desert
Of course, in fairness, Carlwell had his Illini career cut short.l under extremely unfortunate circumstances. He turned out pretty good in the end.
The Illinois basketball coach should not care what a bunch of fans on a chat board say about recruits.
My point was the staff must be able to identify players that can be developed, have good character and fit the program. Its easy if you are Duke/KY and take your pick of top 20/5 star recruits. There was no way that Jabari Parker, Derrick Rose, Jahili Okafor were going to be college busts. Illinois does not get 5 stars. We need to identify early 2 star, 3 star, few 4 star candidates that fit the program and are interested in coming to Illinois. Brad does that very well. Groce and Bruce did not.
Fred Van Fleet and Javale McGee were just examples of unheralded Illinois HS players that did well in college and NBA. I wish they had played for Illinois.
In 9 years Meyers Leonard was only Weber recruit to get drafted and have a significant NBA career. Weber did nothing to develop him. Freshman year 20-14 Sophomore year 17-15.
In 5 years Kendrick Nunn was only Groce recruit to have a significant NBA career.
Both were mediocre recruiters/program builders. We were spoiled by Lou Henson / Lon Kruger / Bill Self. Glad to have Brad here!
My point was the staff must be able to identify players that can be developed, have good character and fit the program. Its easy if you are Duke/KY and take your pick of top 20/5 star recruits. There was no way that Jabari Parker, Derrick Rose, Jahili Okafor were going to be college busts. Illinois does not get 5 stars. We need to identify early 2 star, 3 star, few 4 star candidates that fit the program and are interested in coming to Illinois. Brad does that very well. Groce and Bruce did not.
Fred Van Fleet and Javale McGee were just examples of unheralded Illinois HS players that did well in college and NBA. I wish they had played for Illinois.
In 9 years Meyers Leonard was only Weber recruit to get drafted and have a significant NBA career. Weber did nothing to develop him. Freshman year 20-14 Sophomore year 17-15.
In 5 years Kendrick Nunn was only Groce recruit to have a significant NBA career.
Both were mediocre recruiters/program builders. We were spoiled by Lou Henson / Lon Kruger / Bill Self. Glad to have Brad here!
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Didn't Carlwell end up transferring to the West Coast , maybe San Diego State...........That's what popped into my head ..............It really really did.........
sacraig
- The desert
Yes. Also I exaggerated how he turned out. He did okay there and then played some lower level pro ball in primarily Australia.
Noblesville Illini
- Nappanee, IN
In regards to 2014 to 2018 Illinois Men's Basketball before BU righted the ship............., "It never happened"!!!!
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
I'm talking about as a prep. Didn't think he was close to his lofty rating.
sacraig
- The desert
I think you get an extra star by default if you are 6'9" or taller.
Brian Carlwell SDSU (Mountain West)
FR ILL 2ppg 1 rbg
SO ILL DNP
JR SDSU 5 ppg 3 rbg
SR SDSU 4 ppg 3 rbg
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I think I would have preferred Weber sign JaValle McGee
Javale McGee Nevada
FR 3ppg 2 rbg
SO 14 ppg 7 rbg
1st round NBA draft pick (18th) 14 year NBA career
en.wikipedia.org
FR ILL 2ppg 1 rbg
SO ILL DNP
JR SDSU 5 ppg 3 rbg
SR SDSU 4 ppg 3 rbg
Brian Carlwell - Wikipedia
I think I would have preferred Weber sign JaValle McGee
Javale McGee Nevada
FR 3ppg 2 rbg
SO 14 ppg 7 rbg
1st round NBA draft pick (18th) 14 year NBA career
JaVale McGee - Wikipedia
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Well until his senior year we were playing 4-on-5 on offense whenever he was in the game.
Now, it wasn't remotely his fault that the team was in that position, like so many other players who were seen as disappointments when they should have been stud supporting cast members (Randle, Pruitt, McCamey, Frazier, Tisdale, Richardson, Bertrand, Rice, Black, Egwu, Abrams, you could go on and on and on).
And now you have to love the irony that someone so symbolic of the recruiting failures of that era like Chet is now crushing it on the trail for us.
That's essentially literally true. The public first heard anything about Mike Davis after he was in Champaign and enrolled and was already practicing.
The story was that he had decided to go to a 5th year prep school to try and generate more recruiting interest, but was academically eligible and when we reached out way after the signing period he just kinda showed up.
I mean, guys, we can't talk about Carlwell without making note of him being severely injured and nearly dying in the Jamar Smith incident.Brian Carlwell SDSU (Mountain West)
FR ILL 2ppg 1 rbg
SO ILL DNP
JR SDSU 5 ppg 3 rbg
SR SDSU 4 ppg 3 rbg
Brian Carlwell - Wikipedia
I think I would have preferred Weber sign JaValle McGee
Javale McGee Nevada
FR 3ppg 2 rbg
SO 14 ppg 7 rbg
1st round NBA draft pick (18th) 14 year NBA career
JaVale McGee - Wikipedia
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JFGsCoffeeMug
BU:1 Trash cans:0
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blackdog
- Champaign
Yea no. We can and already are doing better than this. I think its going to be the exception to see them taking guys outside the top 100 unless they are late bloomers or very obviously under-rated. At this point I'm expecting an almost yearly dose of guys in the top-50 with the occasional top-30/5 star commit.
Doubt were looking at an 2 star prospects.....a couple 3....mainly 4....a few 5.
I think the exception may be international recruits, where rating services often provide ratings either very late or never.
Weber made a lot of poor recruiting decisions. Backing off Hummel after signing Cole. Not pursuing Van Vleet. Pursuing Orris. Not recruiting Alec Peters.
I heard some Illini contacts from Rockford were high on Van Vleet, but Weber was not interested for some reason. Van Vleet had more than 2 offers too. Besides Witchita and Colorado State; Kent State, Northern Illinois, Drake, and Southern Illinois offered.
btw, Mike Davis was overlooked in part because he was thought to be headed for prep school. At that point, iirc, he was known as a raw, but very athletic big man.
I heard some Illini contacts from Rockford were high on Van Vleet, but Weber was not interested for some reason. Van Vleet had more than 2 offers too. Besides Witchita and Colorado State; Kent State, Northern Illinois, Drake, and Southern Illinois offered.
btw, Mike Davis was overlooked in part because he was thought to be headed for prep school. At that point, iirc, he was known as a raw, but very athletic big man.
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illini.culture IG
- Grand Rapids, Michigan
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