Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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texillwek

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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Not sure on timing of events, going off memory here…
Thought Jaden Ivey had some negative comments after the season/before draft. Regarding his efficiency/ success but usage was hindered by coach/scheme. Something to this end.
Soon after it seemed decommittment happened. I’ll see what I can find and edit
purdont also had a couple guard transfers I believe......not 100 % sure ..........................
 
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blackdog

Champaign
If this is going to happen there needs to be some protection for HS kids that are told to declare but aren't drafted similar to the feedback that current NCAA players can get without losing eligibility. That was really the only problem with the high school to pros pathway, too many shady handlers telling kids they were pro material to make money off them when the reality was they weren't even close
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
If this is going to happen there needs to be some protection for HS kids that are told to declare but aren't drafted similar to the feedback that current NCAA players can get without losing eligibility. That was really the only problem with the high school to pros pathway, too many shady handlers telling kids they were pro material to make money off them when the reality was they weren't even close
The NBA isn't going to be able to pay enough to do that now with NIL. I'm not even really saying that tongue-in-cheek.

On that note it's interesting that the player's union is pushing for this now. They are now a group made up almost entirely of guys who understand themselves as having given free labor to the NCAA before being allowed in the league. But that isn't as true anymore.

Nonetheless, one and done isn't really serving anyone's interests super well at this point, and I don't think the league will fight all that hard to keep it.
 
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If this is going to happen there needs to be some protection for HS kids that are told to declare but aren't drafted similar to the feedback that current NCAA players can get without losing eligibility. That was really the only problem with the high school to pros pathway, too many shady handlers telling kids they were pro material to make money off them when the reality was they weren't even close
The NBA only made the change because they can't help themselves. Someone would have drafted Emoni Bates 2 years ago in the lottery and would have wasted a lot of money, and the opportunity cost of drafting someone who was ready. The added year of scouting him against better competition is the only thing that prevented his being drafted (likely in the top 10) and receiving a guaranteed deal.
The reality is that no one is really looking out for the kids. Basketball isn't a multi-billion dollar industry because it raises people out of poverty. It raises people out of poverty because it is a multi-billion dollar industry.
In theory, the NBAPA would be best equipped to attempt address the seedier side of scouting and recruiting, but their primary focus is maximizing the earning power of their membership. They don't think guys who can play should have to wait to become NBA players, sacrifice a prime year of earning, and subsequently be older when they hit free agency.
I think the idea of allowing prep players into the early NBA scouting camps is a solid one. If the NBA can't keep them out of the draft, they will at least be able to get a better feel for who is ready. I do wonder if a guy of Bates' profile, (prior to being exposed at Memphis) would go... Maybe they can compromise with the NBAPA and make the camp mandatory for prep players.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
The NBA only made the change because they can't help themselves. Someone would have drafted Emoni Bates 2 years ago in the lottery and would have wasted a lot of money, and the opportunity cost of drafting someone who was ready. The added year of scouting him against better competition is the only thing that prevented his being drafted (likely in the top 10) and receiving a guaranteed deal.
The reality is that no one is really looking out for the kids. Basketball isn't a multi-billion dollar industry because it raises people out of poverty. It raises people out of poverty because it is a multi-billion dollar industry.
In theory, the NBAPA would be best equipped to attempt address the seedier side of scouting and recruiting, but their primary focus is maximizing the earning power of their membership. They don't think guys who can play should have to wait to become NBA players, sacrifice a prime year of earning, and subsequently be older when they hit free agency.
I think the idea of allowing prep players into the early NBA scouting camps is a solid one. If the NBA can't keep them out of the draft, they will at least be able to get a better feel for who is ready. I do wonder if a guy of Bates' profile, (prior to being exposed at Memphis) would go... Maybe they can compromise with the NBAPA and make the camp mandatory for prep players.
Different kids are different, but Emoni Bates seems like an example of a guy who might have hugely benefitted from being in a professional environment at a younger age the way European players (in both basketball and other sports) are.

Because an NBA will reap the financial benefit of a player becoming a star, they have the financial incentive to see them develop positively. And in today's NBA there is a well developed high quality D-League system to be a part of that process now.

The truth is high school players going straight to the NBA was, generally speaking, a colossal success. And the counterexamples are generally players who were not actually drafted that highly and took that option due to NCAA eligibility issues, invariably a symptom of other problems. And then they faced an NBA at that time that wasn't really well prepared to aid in the professional development of teenagers who weren't good enough at basketball yet to at least be practicing and competing with NBA guys.

There really are remarkably few guys who didn't at a minimum have a long career though. And then Kobe, Lebron and KG are three of maybe the 15 best players ever?
 
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theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
I never really understood the point of having to be at least a year out of high school to be drafted.

I think hockey does this part well, although most of the young kids are playing in Juniors and not going to school and playing a sport on the side.
Maybe all kids 18 and up are eligible for the draft. You get drafted, you go to camp, you make the team. If you don't make the team, you can either go back to NCAA or G-league or another league. Non drafted players can also go to camp and sign just like now. That makes it a lot harder for coaches with high end players to really solidify a team but that's their job. Scholarships and rosters would likely become more flexible as a result.

Just spitballing here solving all the NCAA's problems but you would probably have a special contract for a player to sign with the team that drafted them to maintain NCAA eligibility or the team would have exclusive signing rights for x amount of years. Kids could also join an NBA team after March Madness.

Alright, now who do I talk to get this rolling?
 
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I never really understood the point of having to be at least a year out of high school to be drafted.

I think hockey does this part well, although most of the young kids are playing in Juniors and not going to school and playing a sport on the side.
Maybe all kids 18 and up are eligible for the draft. You get drafted, you go to camp, you make the team. If you don't make the team, you can either go back to NCAA or G-league or another league. Non drafted players can also go to camp and sign just like now. That makes it a lot harder for coaches with high end players to really solidify a team but that's their job. Scholarships and rosters would likely become more flexible as a result.

Just spitballing here solving all the NCAA's problems but you would probably have a special contract for a player to sign with the team that drafted them to maintain NCAA eligibility or the team would have exclusive signing rights for x amount of years. Kids could also join an NBA team after March Madness.

Alright, now who do I talk to get this rolling?
Kobe and LeBron went from high school directly. But there were a lot more busts from high schools so essentially NBA raised the age limit to protect itself.
 
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