If they are drafted in the first round their salary will be determined by their draft slot, and fully guaranteed. (well into 7 figures) Players who get assured a 1st round selection will not be worried about losing out on NIL. Not only will they make plenty of money right out of the gate, they will reach free agency earlier, which is where the crazy money is made.
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ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
That might be slightly overstating it but I don't really disagree. If we have an NBA point guard, that unlocks the door to the tremendous cache of weapons we have elsewhere on the floor. It would answer our biggest question mark.
You might say that for this team....the Skyy's the limit
Surprising from a fan's standpoint and encouraging from the Illini's vantage point!
Maybe they are feeling like this season is going to go so well that we will start getting on the radar for more top 30 guys.
skyIdub
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That might be slightly overstating it but I don't really disagree. If we have an NBA point guard, that unlocks the door to the tremendous cache of weapons we have elsewhere on the floor. It would answer our biggest question mark.
You might say that for this team....the Skyy's the limit
Ok...it's a Hot Take....but it won't burn you.
Who is credited with Daddy Brad line?
player comp, I think another would Scottie Reynolds
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Thanks for the nugget. I get it, there are several '24 SGs that are on par or better than NI that we're targeting. I really like Nojus, but if it's between him and Jonathon Powell, I'm taking Powell (note: I'm not saying we lead for Powell; he's just an example). Like NWA said, "eff the rankings."
I thought it was about what the scouts see / potential. If he shows the tools to be an NBA player, his contribution as a freshman won't have to be anywhere near first Team all America to get drafted. It happens every year.
With the Nojus chatter, I think if getting him leads to JB we do it. Would love a three headed monster of, MJ, NI and JB with ZZ too. Having three players from the same AAU team and HS team would do wonders for cohesion and they could easily run them all together with the 2s during games in 2024-2025.
skyIdub
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pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
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Ayo is a great basketball player. That was shown by his great college career B10 title, #1 seed, all american and his strong rookie season. NBA starter for playoff team for a significant part of rookie season. Ayo has size but not off the charts athleticism.
NBA drafts for athleticism and potential.
We will see for Skyy. He has yet to play his first college game.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Eh, I always find this to just be a hand-wavey explanation for why college stars aren't high draft picks from people who don't watch and aren't that interested in the NBA.
There's a reason Corey Kispert went 15th and Luka Garza went 52nd, to choose a couple of relatively land-bound college seniors who were All-Americans in the same year.
NBA basketball is quite different than college basketball, that's the place to start, not some airy notion about a model the NBA is drafting for that you're coding to mean "not actually skilled at the game".
The NBA game, unlike the college game, can allow teams to make Kofi Cockburn guard players he can't guard out on the perimeter every single time down the floor and just endlessly punish a team for putting him out there in a way his offense can't make up for. The same was true of Garza, though he was maybe a hair less disastrous in those situations and has a more familiar and NBA-friendly offensive game, but I don't see a long career for him despite being a superlative and unique talent.
Ayo's laterally athletic more so than vertically, but he's long and he can guard, those weren't the concerns though I think the offensive load he carried at Illinois made him a bit underrated in that regard. I also think NBA scouts gave an inaccurately low grade on his jumper (as did college scouts) which looks weird but works. He just didn't fit the mold in terms of an NBA PG. He still doesn't, by the way, and struggled when thrust into those situations in the half court.
Ayo got lucky that he landed with a coach that understood and could unlock his innate ability to create chaos and open floor situations on the court. He's devastating on the break, any scout could see that, but I don't think they appreciated the ease with which he'd be able to impose his game in an NBA scenario in a small-ball fun and gun team like the Bulls.
Xavier is the one to really watch with this one ...
theNewGuy
- Dallas, TX
I think you're missing my point. Why would an NBA team pay a players 7 figures to go to college or G-league and not be on the roster?
That contract would not be guaranteed for the player anymore, however the NBA is guaranteed the only team that could sign that player, which once signed could be guaranteed money based on draft position.
Project players that teams deem to need more development but have high ceilings will likely not be signed by their NBA team right away and therefore not guaranteed that contract money.
I would also expect there to be more rounds added to the draft.
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I don’t know if Ayo struggled as pg in the half court. Had multiple games with 10+ assists and I felt he usually made the right reads in PnR. I thought he developed a pretty good rapport with Vuc, too, who didn’t do Ayo’s assist totals any favors with his finishes at the rim. Overall I was impressed with the way he ran PG and seemed to adapt to more of a pass first role vs the lead guard he was in college.
The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
I mean, it would have been great, but I'm pretty darn happy and excited with what we have. I'm just champing at the bit to get this season started.
Joel Goodson
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Ty Rodgers is a great consolation prize. And he's gonna be playing college ball a lot longer than Cam is.
Xavier is a Jesuit (Catholic) University
I am surprised they were willing to hire Sean Miller after the FBI wire tap convictions. He should have been given a show cause ban for his NCAA infractions.
Its not like Sean repented and paid his dues to earn his way back.
I am surprised they were willing to hire Sean Miller after the FBI wire tap convictions. He should have been given a show cause ban for his NCAA infractions.
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Its not like Sean repented and paid his dues to earn his way back.
As someone else said, I'm no longer bummed when it comes to basketball.
But after seeing him play, Whitmore looks to be the real deal. If you added him to our team our odds of going to the FF increase dramatically.
I think we'll starting landing some of these guys soon.
That's a lot of hypotheticals.
Currently 1st round picks have a rigid scale based on draft position. They get a 4 year deal, 2 of which are guaranteed. The second two years are team options. There aren't NBA draft holdouts because there isn't much to negotiate. The team makes the pick and the player gets the contract. Done and Done. there is no deferment of signing. (at this point anyway...)
I also agree that it is unlikely that a NBA team would want to pay 7 figures to a guy that isn't on their active roster.
I don't believe they would revert to have player drafted and subsequently stashed in college. (I know Larry Bird is an example of this happening in the past) Any drafted "project player" would be that team's project. In my mind, there is a zero percent chance they would leave the development of that project to someone outside their organization. They will have too much invested to leave that development up to someone who's motivation is to win games in college, rather than focus on developing the skills necessary to help the team that holds the player's rights.
Players only have one opportunity to participate in draft day. Once they have been made available to be picked, they are not eligible to play in college, nor are they eligible to participate in subsequent drafts.
Players with high ceilings, but deficient actual skills will be encouraged to develop those skills prior to staying in the draft. If they ignore the feedback, they take their chances just like everyone else.
I don't really see the need to expand the draft rounds. It is already better for some players to go undrafted rather than be picked late in the 2nd round. At least they have some control of where they go to camp and attempt to make a team or earn a two way deal. There just aren't enough roster spots in the NBA for that to be necessary. Expanding draft eligibility doesn't add more roster spots.
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