Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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DekalbILLfan

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There’s definitely a chance hunter comes to Illinois right? It might be a small chance but theirs a chance right? Can Lville, Indy and/or Illini0440 confirm or deny this.
 
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sacraig

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ChiefGritty said:
I'm exactly half your age but I couldn't agree more with the sentiment you're expressing here.

My only pushback would be, the essence of what you're bemoaning here isn't NIL allowing players to have access to some of the enormous revenue they generate, it's the liberalization of transfer rules that makes every offseason a free-for-all and gives no one any incentive for players to stick with it and see their way through their college career at one school.

The magic of college sports is seeing our heroes, then our peers, then generations of young people go from wide-eyed high school kid to big man on campus to nostalgic alumni of our alma maters. We're connected to these guys, and they to us, in a way that has no analog in the pros.

Where we've come to with transfers totally spoils that. College sports aren't going to survive as a major spectator attraction if that romance goes away.
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I think you could honestly use NIL to help stabilize the transfer market by putting performance and tenure incentives in the NIL deals. And I think eventually you'll see that.

Overall, I think the liberalization of transfer rules can be a good thing by making it easier for players to leave situations that aren't right for them. But without some kind of incentive to stay it means the constantly changing whims of kids lead to a perpetual free agency.

I think this can and will be fixed and we are just too early in the life of this new system.
 
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Heisenbobble

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DekalbILLfan said:
There’s definitely a chance hunter comes to Illinois right? It might be a small chance but theirs a chance right? Can Lville, Indy and/or Illini0440 confirm or deny this.
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Hey Alex, " for $500", I'll take take Hunter, Dainja, Coleman, TSjr./ if around or Goode, and any senior pt guard who can drop 8 assist per game. Alex Final Jeopardy= Final4, 😆
Doesn't count the juice we'd have coming from the bench!: Rj, Ty, Hansberry, Sencire. DrayLawhorn, Nicco Mr. ITALY NBA academy!
 
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Dickinson is in the mix. I don’t get it. I don’t think underwood wants that mess. His name will come up
 
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ChiefGritty

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sacraig said:
Overall, I think the liberalization of transfer rules can be a good thing by making it easier for players to leave situations that aren't right for them.
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There wasn't really anything wrong with the sit-out year from that perspective.

Playing your whole college career at one school is best for everybody and should be the norm. That should be defended against both players' desire for greener pastures and coaches Creaning them.

The graduate transfer rule was also a good one. If a player dedicates themselves academically enough to get a degree before their eligibility is up, the freedom to seek another school of their choosing is a good reward and incentive.
 
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sacraig

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ChiefGritty said:
There wasn't really anything wrong with the sit-out year from that perspective.

Playing your whole college career at one school is best for everybody and should be the norm. That should be defended against both players' desire for greener pastures and coaches Creaning them.

The graduate transfer rule was also a good one. If a player dedicates themselves academically enough to get a degree before their eligibility is up, the freedom to seek another school of their choosing is a good reward and incentive.
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I agree it should be the norm but I don't think it is best for everybody. I think it should be easier than it used to be to transfer but there should be a cost to that so it can't be a spur of the moment decision. In the past the only viable cost was to sacrifice a playing year and it was an effective deterrent. Now I'd bet the cost could be monetary without setting a player back a whole year.
 
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ChiefGritty said:
I'm exactly half your age but I couldn't agree more with the sentiment you're expressing here.

My only pushback would be, the essence of what you're bemoaning here isn't NIL allowing players to have access to some of the enormous revenue they generate, it's the liberalization of transfer rules that makes every offseason a free-for-all and gives no one any incentive for players to stick with it and see their way through their college career at one school.

The magic of college sports is seeing our heroes, then our peers, then generations of young people go from wide-eyed high school kid to big man on campus to nostalgic alumni of our alma maters. We're connected to these guys, and they to us, in a way that has no analog in the pros.

Where we've come to with transfers totally spoils that. College sports aren't going to survive as a major spectator attraction if that romance goes away.
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I respect everyone's opinion, or I try to unless it's bonkers. As a 50yr old, 22 year Devil Dog, and Illini grad. This year's tournament has been exceptional. FAU= all frosh and sophs, +1 senior. UnConn, they tanked mid to late year. Now with Yelling Coach Hurley they look like NBA team! Miami not a fan, but they continue to get it done. SAN DIEGO ST, Aztec/ old team.
my Goodness. MOUNTAIN WEST, 😆. Come to Big10 I'll take you basketball / football team in 8th Largest city in this wonderful country.
I think the Blue bloods are in trouble big time, unless they break off and form a March Tournament from 70's. Good old boys club.
I had to add, In college it's us Fan's, the University, and Our traditions that make it special. That local and We Travel!
 
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Regarding the transfer portal I will say this. A ton of players go into the portal and never find a new home. that is a fact and that concerns me. Bad advice greener pastures if you got your degree. That's great but I'm truly concerned about a lot of kids. Getting bad advice or thinking they're more than they are leaving their universities and never finding a new home. Football especially!
 
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Heisenbobble

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bergd91 said:
Regarding the transfer portal I will say this. A ton of players go into the portal and never find a new home. that is a fact and that concerns me. Bad advice greener pastures if you got your degree. That's great but I'm truly concerned about a lot of kids. Getting bad advice or thinking they're more than they are leaving their universities and never finding a new home. Football especially!
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That's it. I'm NEVER transferring!!
 
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fulton steamer said:
This whole NIL thing has entirely changed the landscape of college athletics. When it first arrived, what's happening today, is exactly what I envisioned and regarded with dread. Of course I got the, "stop shouting at clouds" and "get off of my lawn" insults. However, I can't help but lament the passing of what I grew up watching. Getting a Jaden Epps and watching him grow and mature as a player was a big part of the thrill of college basketball for me. Watching him, S. Harris, Skyy Clark, Ty Rodgers, play together and gel into a smooth running machine, over three or four years and then be ready for a deep run in the tourney was a great thrill. But that scenario is now a thing of the past.

The next remark IS always, "don't be naive, cheating was always going on and it wasn't fair". I know that. And I hated it. But the answer, to me, was for the NCAA to do their job and enforce the rules equally. They didn't and they failed miserably. So because of their inability, or unwillingness to do their job to keep the playing field even, we are left with this; a new form of AAU basketball, or NBA lite if you will.

The last issue is always, "the colleges were making millions and the players got nothing except a measly full-ride scholarship for a free education. I never saw it that way. A free education, if taken seriously, is huge. I think not having to begin your adult life paying back upwards of $100,000 in student loans is a big deal.

Finally, I've been an Illini fan since I was eight years old. I am now 73. I'm not going to stop now. However, before I am inundated with smart a@@ remarks, let me just say, "don't tell me how to feel". It's progress. Things change and if you like this new form of college athletics, good for you. Enjoy. But I find it shallow and another attempt at instant gratification by bringing in hired guns every year to try to capture the elusive national title. If we ever get there, I will be thrilled. But not as thrilled as I would have been in 2026 watching Epps, Harris, Clark, Rodgers, and Danja, et al. finally maturing into one cohesive unit to take on the college basketball world.

To me, it's a shame. JMHO
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I agree with almost everything you stated, but the hired gns. Our coaches are hired guns worth millions, Alumni like me worth a ton, University's who have made billions on top of billions on the back of these athletes.
where a education and a possible future in pro sports or an outstanding degree gives you a chance to seek and strive for the American dream. They build buildings, Stadiums, student enrollment, Alumni loyalty and donor dollars to solve disease and develop new technology.
They have always been hired guns Without pay. Does it need adjustment somehow, probably. But these athletes deserve to get paid and have freedom the same as: Coaches, athletic directors, and fans. I say fans because we can support at a moment anyone or anything we want. With our passion and Check books. 50 yrs old by the way! I get it 💯
 
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sacraig said:
I think you could honestly use NIL to help stabilize the transfer market by putting performance and tenure incentives in the NIL deals. And I think eventually you'll see that.

Overall, I think the liberalization of transfer rules can be a good thing by making it easier for players to leave situations that aren't right for them. But without some kind of incentive to stay it means the constantly changing whims of kids lead to a perpetual free agency.

I think this can and will be fixed and we are just too early in the life of this new system.
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Agreed, the system will sort itself out over time. Doesn't mean circumstances won't get weird, unbalanced, morally screwed up, and just fundamentally unfair in specific circumstances but it will become somewhat determinable. We ain't there yet.
 
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fulton steamer

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sacraig said:
I think you could honestly use NIL to help stabilize the transfer market by putting performance and tenure incentives in the NIL deals. And I think eventually you'll see that.

Overall, I think the liberalization of transfer rules can be a good thing by making it easier for players to leave situations that aren't right for them. But without some kind of incentive to stay it means the constantly changing whims of kids lead to a perpetual free agency.

I think this can and will be fixed and we are just too early in the life of this new system.
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You've always come off as an intelligent guy and I truly hope you are right about this.
 
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