Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I'm immediately reminded of the scene in Margin Call in which Demi Moore's character is interrogating Peter Sullivan regarding his graduate work in propellant combustion ("So, you're a 'rocket scientist'"). I'm in need of a GIF but at the office, however, and bereft of same.

Bro, you already pled guilty to being a nerd. No need to keep trying to convince us.

 

[BalloonsTheElephant]

you look familiar

 

[and 69 others]

Fair. It isn’t Maiden or Motörhead. But it’s less jingle-jangle 80s college rock than most of their catalog. I mean…It rocks harder than Neil Diamond or some of the other tunes you’ve hear to death at games for 50 years.
(Yes, I like Sweet Caroline. I’m not a heartless monster.)


Anyways…I get what you’re saying. Orange Crush isn’t the perfect stadium rocker…and I’m not a super big REM fan by any means. But it’s sorta cinematic in a way, it builds, and it has a fairly catchy chorus with Orange Krush in the title.

Okay…I’m way too tangential on this one…Sorry everybody.

The intro would be cool to use at proper one — Hard drums followed by a decent guitar intro. After that, fade it out and move on.

 

[Boomauer]

We need to adopt an REO Speedwagon song. Florida uses Tom Petty since he was from Gainesville.

 

[Noblesville Illini]

plague of locusts on that d-bag. some heavy biblical stuff. he deserves the full treatment

Tell his wife not to look back, just run away! Too late! She’s salty.

 

[BryceHopkins]

This thread today … yikes

 

[Flyin' Illini]

We need to adopt an REO Speedwagon song. Florida uses Tom Petty since he was from Gainesville.

I probably like REO more than most, but comparing them to Tom Petty is like comparing Burger King's chicken sandwich to Popeye's.

 

[Noblesville Illini]

This thread today … yikes

Bound to happen….letdown after yesterday’s excitement. Kind of a sugar crash if you will

 

[Rich]

This thread isnt even that long and its already been derailed for several pages.

 

[21ChampaignSt]

Agree that there is a risk of the business model not working. BUT, the issue has always been that the players were SCREWED! Simply put, they received way less than they should of, and got in trouble if they accepted $20 from someone. So I would argue no system like that should ever remain. And if college basketball is a shell of its former self because of that, then so be it.

However, I think this will improve the game. For those who say they don't have a connection to the player, I say "call me again in November," as I think they will be talking about Amani and Domask, and not care at all that some come as freshman and some as seniors.

I've always thought players should be able to profit off their name, image, likeness (which isn't what is currently happening, btw) but didn't players knowingly and willingly enter into the decision to be an amateur NCAA athlete? There have always been alternatives. I feel that if players were actually getting "SCREWED!" and the system was as criminal as you're implying, the players simply wouldn't choose to participate. They weren't forced into that Draconian arrangement.

The truth is, being a collegiate athlete in the former system was still very rewarding, primarily from an exposure and resources stand point. But I suspect what we're seeing now isn't a pendulum swing back to what is fair and just. It's a response to the new media landscape.

Exposure is increasingly easy to come by, so the NCAA had to sweeten its pot to be competitive with alternative options. They may have positioned it as "power to the players" but it's just the product of the war games they played out in which the inevitable outcome if they didn't pay players was to deal with the real threat of a legit semi-pro league / basketball content farm cropping up stealing talent and viewership. That's fine I guess. Capitalism is a pretty good mechanism for allocating resources. But I still don't believe the free player movement from school to school will last long - it just doesn't really benefit that many people.

Anyway, I personally will never walk away from Illinois basketball, because it's part of my identity for better or worse. But I can empathize with people who are no longer interested. My relationship with Illinois basketball is increasingly based on nostalgia rather than excitement for what's to come. The season tickets will be renewed, the merch will be bought, but there's just something missing now.

I do agree with you though that a lot of this angst and discontent will dissipate once we get a shiny new basketball team on the State Farm Center hardwood in November. Can't come soon enough.

 

[RabidDawgClassic]

This thread be like..

I want more booms!

 

[MTPeoria]

Thanks, my source at the DIA retired in December so my info will be sketchy from here on out plus I'm getting ready to start a new chapter in my life in D.C. Mom and I are chasing 2 proud Illini grads and their gf's there. Should be fun times. Go Illini from the Nation's Capitol!!

Thanks for all of your contributions to this Illini Loving Community. I wish you the best for you and your family!

 

[Ghost77]

My mom graduated with him and has said as much. In fairness, I suspect that would have been true just about anywhere, though.

Alas, how the greatest artists tend to be persecuted!

 

[logjam]

God bless and good fortune TC....thanks for the info and perspective over the years...you will be missed.

 

[jumpingjack]

If I am not mistaken, it is about agent orange.

You are correct

 

[jumpingjack]

I mean, I enjoy said song and REM in general. I just don't think it's a good stadium song.

It is very recruiting season for this to be a topic of discussion. I don't disagree, I just don't think it's particularly jangly

 

[Mojoman]

So are there PG's we are working on that we have a legit shot at?

A few names mentioned here, but not sure where we stand with any of them. .

 

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

I can't find it now, but I think in a previous version of this thread that some poster said the "revenue-producing programs" would need a sort of GM to handle NIL, and this prompted another poster to say that there are only like two programs that turn a profit. That is definitely not true, from my research into profits by program:

1. Kentucky: $56.0 million in revenue, $31.2 million in profit
2. Louisville: 53.6M revenue, 29.2M profit
3. Indiana: 37.5M revenue, 17.1M profit
4. Duke: 35.4M revenue, 14.6M profit
5. Kansas: 34.1M revenue, 18.7M profit
6. Syracuse: 31.9M revenue, 17.6M profit
7. Ohio State: 30.1M revenue, 9.6M profit
8. North Carolina: 29.9M revenue, 17.5M profit
9. Michigan State: 28.5M revenue, 9.3M profit
10. Illinois: 27.6M revenue, 12.9M profit
11. UCLA: 26.3M revenue, 16.4M profit
12. Wisconsin: 25.3M revenue, 14.5M profit
13. Arkansas: 24.7M revenue, 13.9M profit
14. Michigan: 24.1M revenue, 11.3M profit
15. Arizona: 23.9M revenue, 13.0M profit
16. Maryland: 22.5M revenue, 10.4M profit
17. Marquette: 20.3M revenue, 7.3M profit
18. Minnesota: 19.7M revenue, 9.8M profit
19. Alabama: 19.3M revenue, 4.9M profit
20. Texas: 18.7M revenue, 1.0M profit

Quite a few basketball programs - by themselves - provide their athletic departments with several million in profit.

I thought they were saying football and basketball are the only revenue generating programs.

 

[Chukwuwumba]

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Omar Payne back in the portal

 

[IllinistuckinGopherland]

Thanks, my source at the DIA retired in December so my info will be sketchy from here on out plus I'm getting ready to start a new chapter in my life in D.C. Mom and I are chasing 2 proud Illini grads and their gf's there. Should be fun times. Go Illini from the Nation's Capitol!!

You could have just made sh!t up for the next two years and we would’ve believed you.

 

[Kendall Gill’s Uncle]

Just to level set.... things we're waiting on

TSJ - declared for draft, probably won't know final decision til May
Hawkins - declared for draft, probably won't know final decision til May
Vet PG - Target(s) going through predraft process, probably won't know final decision til May
Wing - unknown
Big - unknown

Do I have this right?

How dare you speak of recruiting news in this thread! Dan needs to start a thread called Coffee-shop experts state of collegiate athletics thread.

 

[Illini 993]

You could have just made sh!t up for the next two years and we would’ve believed you.

POTD (IMO)

 

[sacraig]

That's not ironic.

 

[Chuck Nuggets]

I've always thought players should be able to profit off their name, image, likeness (which isn't what is currently happening, btw) but didn't players knowingly and willingly enter into the decision to be an amateur NCAA athlete? There have always been alternatives. I feel that if players were actually getting "SCREWED!" and the system was as criminal as you're implying, the players simply wouldn't choose to participate. They weren't forced into that Draconian arrangement.

The truth is, being a collegiate athlete in the former system was still very rewarding, primarily from an exposure and resources stand point. But I suspect what we're seeing now isn't a pendulum swing back to what is fair and just. It's a response to the new media landscape.

Exposure is increasingly easy to come by, so the NCAA had to sweeten its pot to be competitive with alternative options. They may have positioned it as "power to the players" but it's just the product of the war games they played out in which the inevitable outcome if they didn't pay players was to deal with the real threat of a legit semi-pro league / basketball content farm cropping up stealing talent and viewership. That's fine I guess. Capitalism is a pretty good mechanism for allocating resources. But I still don't believe the free player movement from school to school will last long - it just doesn't really benefit that many people.

Anyway, I personally will never walk away from Illinois basketball, because it's part of my identity for better or worse. But I can empathize with people who are no longer interested. My relationship with Illinois basketball is increasingly based on nostalgia rather than excitement for what's to come. The season tickets will be renewed, the merch will be bought, but there's just something missing now.

I do agree with you though that a lot of this angst and discontent will dissipate once we get a shiny new basketball team on the State Farm Center hardwood in November. Can't come soon enough.

 

[cfdog27]

you look familiar

ya same