Nice chart. Looks like a Pruman chart!!,
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If only the blue beyond the arc was red..... I think the knock on Underwood and this team in general is that they didn't recognize the blueness and change strategy to bring in the admittedly less efficient mid range.
Not arguing that 3s and layups are the most efficient forms of modern basketball but you need to make the shots or you lose all of that efficiency. The most efficient shot is the one you make.
Good post.
I think the key is eFG%. Play to your strengths that you have and it is all important.
The trend to more threes on pro and college level is based upon the premise one makes at least 33% of their threes as a team which is eFG% of 50%.
The D1 average was 34%. We were 30.8%.
sacraig
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Anyone who doesn't is just as crazy as the people who said Kofi leaving was addition by subtraction.
More generally, for teams who don't shoot 3s well (like IL last year), this shows why all teams should try to get short shots (including layups and dunks). Oh, for all that feel that this is painfully obvious, this is why CH should stay in college another year and learn to be more effective around the basket. He's only slowly improving in this regard. CH must also think before he passes (fewer TOs), and TSJ needs to keep his options open as he drives, not just wild drives that either get the foul call or end in a TO. TSJ is obviously better offensively though with a better-looking shot and nearly double the PPG vs CH last year.
I don’t want to oversell Hawkins’s abilities because there’s a lot for him to work on with his game, but I truly believe a great percentage of his insane passes and ill-advised threes were out of frustration due to his teammates not running the offense correctly. When he’d see a teammate in a somewhat favorable position to score, he’d try to thread the needle and make things happen, much like how a poker player who’s been dealt nothing but crap hands all game might finally get a Jack-ten and greatly overplay it.
So just imagine what his numbers would have looked like if he remembered that he had a right hand???
This is true for any shot, but you’d rather have the RIGHT player take a 12 foot jumper than continue dribbling. There’s been people here lamenting our 3 point percentages. Well statistically, we want our 30% 3 point shooters shooting 3s ahead of our 40% or less mid range shooters shooting mid range. Now if you just have a dude, he usually has some freedom. Or if you’re in the nba, and the defense schemes a million different ways to stop dunks and 3s, your dudes who can hit the mid range become a bigger part of your offense when they HAVE to.
Depending on how analytically driven a coach’s offensive philosophy is, the play on driving to a congested paint is to jump stop and kick out to shooter which forces a close out which leads more efficient shot opportunities, or do the Steve Nash over penetration thing and hit a cutter diving to the rim, or a kickout if the d sucks in too far.
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Not until he can show that he can use his right hand!!! He's a freakish athlete but he plays defense on himself because he can't handle the ball with his right hand
That's my ONLY criticism of him(if you even want to call it that). Good spot up shooter, great length, elite athleticism and he's a very tough cover going to his left. When he goes right he either gets his shot blocked or has a tendency to throw something wild up. Teams shade him to make him go right. That's the difference of being a first round lock or a mid second round D-League project. If/when he comes back, that'll be obviously an area of focus for him.
Has Edey made a decision on whether he's returning? If he's back, BIG POY won't be a contest
Yeah. I concur.
I thought it was whack at the time. The dude was an All-American and it was like people couldn’t wait to get him out the door.
Of course, it was all about the perceived limitations of the 4 around 1…thing with Kofi in the post that was fresh in folks’ minds. We SUPPOSEDLY”just needed nothing but position-less, face up wings with an avg. height of 6 foot 8.5 inches that could go get us one whenever…like a handful of NBA teams or some of the so-called “made for March” teams of 2-3 years ago. People really had visions of sugar plums with that whole thing…
It was implied/even stated we weren’t even gonna need to utilize post ups AT ALL anymore.
This video is a little dated…but I found it interesting if you have the time. It hits on some of these themes.
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Big Jack
- Decatur
If memory serves me right Ayo couldn't go left so that argument is moot in my mind. Yes he needs more work but that won't stop him from being B1G POY
He also didn't get drafted until the second round, which is where TSJ would be projected.
Exactly. Those become the gutsy,
biggest shots of the game.
It can’t be a hard and fast rule that you NEVER shoot a mid range…(like some would advise…or have you believe.)
*Although, overall a bad shot in many ways in the aggregate.
If the defense knows you’re
to shoot a mid-range in clutch time it makes it pretty easy for them to key in…IMOIzzo appears to be an example from someone who seems to be embracing this idea…or was smart enough not to completely throw the baby out with the bath water in the first place.
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skyIdub
Winged Warrior
Unless they were talking about calories available at the buffet?
I enjoy the suggestion that NBA scouts wouldn't know who Shannon is until he wins Big 10 POY.
He obviously goes left the majority of the time, but saying he can't handle the ball with his right hand is such an exaggeration.
Are we honestly spending time picking apart the perceived weaknesses of TSJ who was our best player night in and night out, took a beating to get to the line more than any Illinois player in years, and was our only reliable scorer?
My only complaint about him is he is too nice a kid and should have demanded the ball more. Kid is a baller.
My only complaint about him is he is too nice a kid and should have demanded the ball more. Kid is a baller.
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Edey along with TJD and Schifino are scheduled to participate in the combine next Monday in Chicago.
My thoughts on this subject are pretty simple. Today's defenses virtually guard the rim and the arc. Most of the time, the 10 ft. jumper goes unguarded. We see it almost automatic from the pros and SHOULD be such in collegiate play. MAKE them guard you!!! 8-10 ft. open jumpers are just as effective as a slam dunk. And guess what? They both count for 2 POINTS!!! If you can do both, you are more valuable to your team.
One of the reasons I want Hawkins to return is that for 2.5 seasons, he ignored the FACT that defenses allowed him to get to the lane unguarded most of the time and he made no effort to score on the 8 ft jumper...along with a handful of other Illini I have watched in recent years. But in his last 10 or so games, he started to take that shot and was as effective as his efforts to get to the rim and score, maybe more so. Along with finding a more effective (higher) arc on his shot and improving his passing judgement, he can become a first round pick....and all three of those are simply accomplished with a bit of encouragement and self evaluation.
AyoDos11
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Something interesting I noticed: Illinois shot a higher 2pt% than Purdue even with Zach Edey.
Illinois: 623/1131 (55.1%)
Purdue: 645/1193 (54.1%)
I guess Purdue's guards suck at layups or something.
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