Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Bert2022

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Probably like many of you, I'm in a state of trying to decide whether or not I can derive any pleasure from college basketball, given this new world order, and thus, determining whether I should continue to make time and emotional investments....the catalyst of this self-reflection being the RayJ recruitment.

In other words, for me, this s*it is getting old. I can only imagine how old it is getting for our staff.

My hope is that this is an off-season dynamic only (if that's the case, I think I'm good), but my concern is a lot of this manuevering will spill over and become part of an in-season narrative and make the college basketball season, in the words of my 7-year old, "yucky."

For 98-99% of college hoops players, it is my belief that they are not concerned with whether a program can help them be drafted or drafted higher, so it would make sense from their perspective, to chase a few extra $$. In the absence of professional hoops earnings potential, I wish more of the NIL discussion could take into context things like graduation rates and average beginning salaries for graduates instead of only absolute NIL contract $ terms. Maybe the conversations do, and I'm just naive....or maybe I'm just naive in general.
 
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ptgrd23

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Hard to believe Andre has not landed somewhere.

He has talent but looks like still suffering long term effects from concussion. Not sure what was said at half time in locker room at the Houston NCAA game but we are taught to forgive the prodigal son. Andre was a key part of our #1 seed BTT championship team.

I remember when Texas Rangers give Josh Hamilton another chance and rode it to two AL pennants.

JMO - If RayJ does not come thru I would give Andre another chance. The few St John games I watched he appeared to have significantly reduced the ineffective hero ball and played within the St. Johns offense.
 
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7 Year Illini

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Bert2022 said:
Probably like many of you, I'm in a state of trying to decide whether or not I can derive any pleasure from college basketball, given this new world order, and thus, determining whether I should continue to make time and emotional investments....the catalyst of this self-reflection being the RayJ recruitment.

In other words, for me, this s*it is getting old. I can only imagine how old it is getting for our staff.

My hope is that this is an off-season dynamic only (if that's the case, I think I'm good), but my concern is a lot of this manuevering will spill over and become part of an in-season narrative and make the college basketball season, in the words of my 7-year old, "yucky."

For 98-99% of college hoops players, it is my belief that they are not concerned with whether a program can help them be drafted or drafted higher, so it would make sense from their perspective, to chase a few extra $$. In the absence of professional hoops earnings potential, I wish more of the NIL discussion could take into context things like graduation rates and average beginning salaries for graduates instead of only absolute NIL contract $ terms. Maybe the conversations do, and I'm just naive....or maybe I'm just naive in general.
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I think people can take one of two approaches. First, they follow recruiting and the offseason the way they used to. NIL and transfers are just a part of that, and it is a ride just like there was a ride with Derrick Rose, or IDKWTI, or Laphonso Ellis. If you enjoy the ride, then jump on.

Second approach - wait until the season starts. See who is on the team and root on from there. I know a few people who are doing this, and they enjoy it!
 
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RabidDawgClassic

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ptgrd23 said:
JMO - If RayJ does not come thru I would give Andre another chance. The few St John games I watched he appeared to have significantly reduced the ineffective hero ball and played within the St. Johns offense.
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But did you see the game where he went into the stands? Did you see the game where he got popcorn and ate it on the bench? Did you see the social media posts where he ripped on his coach? I’m of the belief that his behavior is less about the concussion and more a case of general all-around assholery. And it’s a shame because he has the talent and the tools to be so much more.
 
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Snoopy

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Interesting concept though, coaches getting essentially a team budget from the AD. They take a cut, Their management agency takes a cut, adds in some alumni funds and goes out and recruits a team. Then some visits get scheduled or not…
 
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Mojoman

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ptgrd23 said:
Hard to believe Andre has not landed somewhere.

He has talent but looks like still suffering long term effects from concussion. Not sure what was said at half time in locker room at the Houston NCAA game but we are taught to forgive the prodigal son. Andre was a key part of our #1 seed BTT championship team.

I remember when Texas Rangers give Josh Hamilton another chance and rode it to two AL pennants.

JMO - If RayJ does not come thru I would give Andre another chance. The few St John games I watched he appeared to have significantly reduced the ineffective hero ball and played within the St. Johns offense.
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No.
 
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ptgrd23

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Crazy times seeing this all in the open. At least the honest schools can compete now. Hard to be sympathetic to head coaches making +4M per year and assistants making $500k-$1M. If they don't like doing this there are 100 people waiting in line to take their job.

Used to be just Addidas and Nike bag men paying of recruits to go to Kansas, Arizona, Duke, Louisville Miami, Kentucky etc....

2017–18 NCAA Division I men's basketball corruption scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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RabidDawgClassic said:
But did you see the game where he went into the stands? Did you see the game where he got popcorn and ate it on the bench? Did you see the social media posts where he ripped on his coach? I’m of the belief that his behavior is less about the concussion and more a case of general all-around assholery. And it’s a shame because he has the talent and the tools to be so much more.
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Totally agree. He was a huge distraction for his team the second half of the season. If you though Matt Meyer and Skyy Clark were distractions, you wouldn't have enjoyed the Curbelo St. John's experience. He was suspended twice and had another concussion at the end of the year.
I'm not sure of all the reasons Mike Anderson was fired, but I bet Andre's name/antics came up at some point.

You often hear coaches say they want character, not characters... Andre is definitely in the latter catagory at this point.

I'm sure someone will give him an opportunity, but I seriously doubt BU would entertain that thought. If he ever does, something has gone terribly wrong.
 
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john1952

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Person A is an "elite basketball player"
Person A invests all his NIL $$$$ during the 4 years in college
Would that pretty much insure finanical stability for the rest of his life?
Thoughts?
 
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Captain 14

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RabidDawgClassic said:
But did you see the game where he went into the stands? Did you see the game where he got popcorn and ate it on the bench? Did you see the social media posts where he ripped on his coach? I’m of the belief that his behavior is less about the concussion and more a case of general all-around assholery. And it’s a shame because he has the talent and the tools to be so much more.
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Assholery LOL
 
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Illini92and96

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john1952 said:
Person A is an "elite basketball player"
Person A invests all his NIL $$$$ during the 4 years in college
Would that pretty much insure finanical stability for the rest of his life?
Thoughts?
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It obviously depends on the $ and the definition of stability, but extremely likely that it would not. That said, if invested smartly it alone could be enough for retirement 30-40 years down the road.
 
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Illin618

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I’ll not be a happy guy if we don’t land RayJ and Shannon doesn’t come back.
 
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Kenny67

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ptgrd23 said:
Hard to believe Andre has not landed somewhere.

He has talent but looks like still suffering long term effects from concussion. Not sure what was said at half time in locker room at the Houston NCAA game but we are taught to forgive the prodigal son. Andre was a key part of our #1 seed BTT championship team.

I remember when Texas Rangers give Josh Hamilton another chance and rode it to two AL pennants.

JMO - If RayJ does not come thru I would give Andre another chance. The few St John games I watched he appeared to have significantly reduced the ineffective hero ball and played within the St. Johns offense.
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Why? The few games i watched, AC did not suit up ... and the coach was eventually fired. A red flag?
 
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