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Seems odd they didn't mention Mizzou legend Michael Porter Jr.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
I don't know whether Ty will be able to play PG, but I do feel strongly that in a perfect world, working on his shot should take priority over working on his ball handling, assuming there isn't unlimited time and energy available. Not a perfect world, I know.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
This is true for most teams, but plenty of guys on this Illini team are able to get out and run and trigger a fast break. And if Ty drops lower on offense, either going to the hoop or to rebound, we just need someone else sliding out to take his place to be first man back on defense -- just like when the PG drives to the hoop.
Ty won't be a typical point guard, if he plays it, which means the offensive set can't look exactly like a "typical" PG-oriented offense. Just need to plan for that and coach (and follow) the adjusted scheme.
Loopholes will always exist and it seems like there are a ton with NIL. It’d be dumb for a coach to not take advantage of them. I really thought it’d be easier to do this with the bottom 1-2 guys with PWO and NIL but the staff and JW knows the best way of going about this. I’m curious on how the NCAA will attempt to close the loopholes.
If one defines talent as consistent talent that i would have to disagree.
I am hard pressed to think of one thing that last years team did consistently well, game in and game ou,t, on offense or defense.
Obivously many explantation have been suggest in this forum to account for this e.g. no chemistry, no point guard, poor coaching, and so forth.
This aspect (or potential aspect) of NIL is what might turn me away from college basketball. I don’t mind players getting paid. I wish it was more regulated, but that integral section of the sport should get part of the pie too. But to bypass the scholarship rules using NIL may be a step too far for me to stomach. So now schools with large NIL programs/capabilities can basically have a taxi squad or JV team? I guess even before NIL this was technically possible with a good player walking on rather than taking a scholarship, but to my knowledge it rarely happened or certainly not with any regularity.
One of the things that appeals to me and I believe a large percentage of fans is the “level playing field” aspect that makes the Cinderella stories possible. Sure we know that it hasn’t truly been a level playing field with money paid under the table and larger schools having much better facilities than most smaller schools. But it was close enough to level that one could make it appear so by just keeping your head titled a bit — and smaller schools could rise up and bite the Goliaths in the a$$ with some regularity. Now with NIL one actually has to lean their whole body to keep the illusion of a level playing field. Allowing schools to circumvent the roster limit rules would require a lean so great to make standing impossible. They really need to get a handle on this. Even professional sports has roster limitations.
Any word what strip club is putting up the NIL?
Hockey is the sport in Canada that kids play when they can't make the hockey team?What about hockey?
...I'll allow it.
Ty at point is not ideal. He looks to be a plus rebounder down low. He'll do lots less of that as point.
One other aspect about this that I haven't seen mentioned is what does he want? It's all well and good for him to do this for the team. But kids want to come here to develop for the next level. Playing out of position doesn't help that.
One other aspect about this that I haven't seen mentioned is what does he want? It's all well and good for him to do this for the team. But kids want to come here to develop for the next level. Playing out of position doesn't help that.
“Not ideal”. Good term. Reminds me of what people said when Bill Cubit was hired as FB coach.
I don't really disagree with anything you said, but....
Chester Frazier was able to average like 5 boards a game as a small-ish point guard.
To an extent, you have to manage what a player's preference is, but ultimately, it's up to BU to put players in positions to help the team succeed.
Potentially, if he truly has to play a point-type position, it could absolutely help him in the eyes of the pros. It could continue to develop those ball handling, and passing skills that he has. Honestly, Ben Simmons (who was in another world as a prospect) made it as an all-star as a big dude who couldn't shoot, but could handle it and pass it. (I don't compare Ty to Ben Simmons as players.)
I would argue Ty showcasing that he can handle the ball, distribute well, and make his teammates better would be significantly more impactful for his professional upside than throwing him out on the wing where he is essentially a slasher, non-shooter and offensive rebound merchant
FWIW I don’t disagree that it’s “not ideal”. But I think for him, as a potential pro, this shouldn’t hurt him unless it’s just a complete disaster (which I don’t think it will be)
He needs to show he can make FTs and any type of midrange game regardless of the position he’s playing anyway
foby
- Bonnaroo Land
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What’s the next level for Ty? He’s an undersized power forward without a jumper. If he wants to play in the NBA, he’ll need to add a different skill or two to his arsenal. Norchad Omier is a tweener as well and he’s an elite rebounder, currently a better scorer, shoots 30% from 3, and he’s not on any mock drafts. Perhaps developing into a point forward is the best route if he wants to have a chance. He’s not just a jumper away from being a pro.
I think Chester is probably as good of a pg comp as there is, while not large at 6'2", I wouldn't call him a small point guard either; but I remember him drawing Robbie Hummel, so defensively he often wasn't the point guard, much like I would expect from TY. He also played along Dee as a freshman & Demetri as a JR/Sr...
so certainly shared the offensive role as well.
looking at the numbers for last 3 years Trent was about 1.3 OR/Game & 3.5 DR ~ 4.7/gm while playing close to 33 min/game; Ty was 1.6 OR/2.4 DR in 17.5 min ...so Chester was a good rebounding guard, but TY definitely takes it up a couple notches & is a great rebounder period... only slightly behind Dain & Lieb in Rebounds/min and ahead of Coleman, Mayer & Shannon last year
Also just for curiousity, his Rebounds/40 min slightly above EJ Lidell, REB% slightly below EJ & pretty much same story for Robbie Hummel; my rebounding comps for smaller PF...of note both those guys looked pretty consistent from freshman to last year
The NCAA is so far behind this NIL crap it's a mess. This is a simple fix, you make a rule that says walkons are not eligible for NIL. Problem fixed.
You've got Deion Sanders of all people complaining about NIL on the football side now. Not because he doesn't think players should get paid, but because he doesn't think some 18 year old no one has ever heard should be making millions of dollars, and I don't disagree. He also called out these collectives, which make absolutely no sense to me. How are pools of donors funds that aren't really attached to a job, not illegal? Now granted, I don't understand exactly how they work, but it sounds like just a pool of money that coaches can throw at players.
Ed Obannon started all of this because they put a picture of him on a video game box, sold millions of copies, and he didn't get a penny for it. Seems a reasonable argument. Players were upset that a pro could sell their autograph, but a college kid couldn't. Seems reasonable. Same with jerseys, if people are buying a Kofi Cockburn jersey, it's reasonable Kofi should get a piece. But this just here's some money from a collective thing sounds an awful lot like what was considered a major offense for all of history up until about 2 mins ago.
If you don't have to have a scholarship to pay these kids and get them to come, then why would a kid ever want a scholarship? Why lock themselves into that school since they transfer so often now? Because of food, tutoring, guarantee this Wilcher kid will get everything the rest of the team does. They'll just say pay us $5,000 for training table fees. Oh we'll give you the money, you just give it back to us. People haven't even begun to really exploit all the issues with NIL. It will get worse.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
I believe we need a Möbius strip for this one.Hockey is the sport in Canada that kids play when they can't make the hockey team?
...I'll allow it.
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Yeah, I agree with you… I’m not sure how you can be in favor of NIL AND say that walk ons can’t get it. The NIL says that you can profit off your own Name, Image, and Likeness.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
Username checks out.
I would define basketball talent as natural athletic ability that can enhanced but but not taught -- height, length, strength, hops, speed, and quickness. In contact with basketball skills like handles, passing, shooting, foot work, positioning ...
Then there is basketball IQ; which consists of things like court vision, court presence, savvy, decision making ...
Last year's team had pretty good natural athletic talent; deficiencies in passing and three point shooting skill, and terrible basketball IQ.
To accomplish what they did was a good coaching job. They could have used a healthy Goode.
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