Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Guys, when are the players supposed to be on camapus?
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Guerrier and Harmon both enrolled in summer courses at their previous schools.
They may be taking summer courses at their current schools to ensure they graduate with the required courses so they can get the grad transfer.
 
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Not sure why that would disqualify us. I know people talk about our early exits in the NCAAs, but you only get "hardware" for three things:

1. Winning the national championship
2. Winning your conference.
3. Winning your conference tournament

Only three teams have accomplished the first since Paul got to Rutgers - Baylor, Kansas and UConn. It's a very difficult thing to do, and you can't really just eliminate schools who have not done it, as each new March Madness is a bit of a crapshoot. Illinois has done #2 and #3 while Paul has been at Rutgers, and we have been one game away from doing #2 an additional two times, giving pretty good evidence that you can have a good shot at competing for a Big Ten title here. Heck, last year's mess of a squad even had a legit shot to catch Purdue shockingly late into the season, haha! Even on the winning the NC thing, the best you can count on before Selection Sunday is getting a #1 seed, right? And we have done that, as well. Sometimes you get upset and we unfortunately did, but I would be curious to see the list of programs that would qualify as giving Paul the potential to get some "hardware" and that are also interested in Paul, lol...
Well, I think we all understand what he means by hardware. By your definition there are lots more. I bet various invitational tournaments have them. I remember our teams standing at center court at assembly hall getting a trophy for the illinois invitational

I also believe regional winners in tourney get a trophy .

And our 89 team had final four rings.
 
#83      
I'm looking forward to the Posts in Feb, where one of the insiders says "Do you remember last summer, when everyone was concerned Williams couldn't be the PG of this team?"
In February as CoHawk brings the ball up, begs his teammates to set a pick, then either bounces a pass off the play by play announcers head or chucks up a 35' 3 ball??

BU hasn't addressed the 2 main issues from last year. 1. Our lead PG will be either a maybe qualifier with a bum leg or a freshman. 2. He didn't bring any new coaches in that have a clue how to teach/run his offence...... (And yes , I know how to spell offense)

The Insiders know the facts better than we do. If BU and staff can't pull a PG out of their ar$e here late, the Illini will have a very talented team that will be rudderless and will frustrate players and fans alike!
 
#84      
For 3 years of Kofi our passing game was either dump it to him in low post or run Ayo/Kofi pick and roll.

It also created a lot of wide open 3 point looks and opponents collapsed of Kofi.

Lot of easy assists.

Last year was first post Kofi year and the offense really struggled to create open looks. Feeding Dain in low post was successful in non conference but opponents quickly realized that they could double Dain and Illinois did not have the shooters to punish them.

The only picks set were above the key. Very little motion or back cuts off the ball. When people did get open there was no inclination to pass the ball to them.

Not fun to watch us pass the ball around at top of key then launch a guarded 3 pointer.

I hope Brad learned his lesson and forces the team to run the offense even if it means playing only freshman and walkons.
I think most folks that have led people understand there's a fine line to walk when exercising leadership. If he did as you suggest, we could assume a losing season by which he would be judged by his leadership and promptly placed on a Performance Improvement Plan, or shown the door with a boot embedded in his backside. We can guess on the performance factors that JW is evaluating him on, but I can bet you my beach house in Nuiqsut that winning is right up there in the top three.

I agree this is one way to enforce your will and requirements on those players not following the game plan, but it's also one way to lose a locker room, and lose a job too.
 
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Well, I think we all understand what he means by hardware. By your definition there are lots more. I bet various invitational tournaments have them. I remember our teams standing at center court at assembly hall getting a trophy for the illinois invitational

I also believe regional winners in tourney get a trophy .

And our 89 team had final four rings.
I interpreted that comment as Paul wants to go somewhere he can "win big." I think as far as that opportunity goes at a program that also wants Paul, we would absolutely qualify. So, my main point is that it seems an odd assumption (if that is all it is) that he would immediately cross the Illini off this list for that reason alone.
 
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In February as CoHawk brings the ball up, begs his teammates to set a pick, then either bounces a pass off the play by play announcers head or chucks up a 35' 3 ball??

BU hasn't addressed the 2 main issues from last year. 1. Our lead PG will be either a maybe qualifier with a bum leg or a freshman. 2. He didn't bring any new coaches in that have a clue how to teach/run his offence...... (And yes , I know how to spell offense)

The Insiders know the facts better than we do. If BU and staff can't pull a PG out of their ar$e here late, the Illini will have a very talented team that will be rudderless and will frustrate players and fans alike!
I can't argue with most of your points, but I think the fact that a handful of these guys will have played together for over a year now will naturally allow the offense to run a little more smoothly. Our guys had so few minutes and no time together heading into last season.
And I can't help but wonder if Ty Rodgers might be a pleasant surprise handling the rock from the PG position at times. I'm no insider and don't know if it'll work out or not, but in high school he seemed to orchestrate quite well as the PG. And if Williams is healthy he seems like a pretty unselfish PG. I know these are still "ifs" but if either become true I think we'll be really really good! And if neither become true and we have to go PG by committee I think we'll be solid with the core returning and bringing in solid transfers and potential freshmen that could contribute. And don't forget with Luke Goode healthy it'll be a difference maker. We are very very deep! Foul trouble and fatigue won't be an issue for this team. I'd like to see us play really really fast! Not saying this team is as good, but Flying Illini style anyone?
 
#87      
USA defeated Canada 118-36 in the FIBA U16 Americas Championship yesterday. Wow. That group of 2007 born American players looks awfully impressive. Won't be surprised to see a number of those guys bypass college all together for G League Ignite or what not.
 
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Tevo

Wilmette, IL
Why you need a PG
1. bring the ball up against the press
--- minor issue last year, we have multiple players that can handle the ball reasonably well in open court. Sencire, Ty, TSJ, Coleman

Best way to beat a press is by PASSING, not trying to dribble it up. Watch some old Lou Henson teams. With some basic strategy and practice, a good team should be able to kill a full court press for easy basket after easy basket. But it may require that more than one player on your team is adept at thinking and passing, which last year's team left us wondering...
 
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I can't argue with most of your points, but I think the fact that a handful of these guys will have played together for over a year now will naturally allow the offense to run a little more smoothly. Our guys had so few minutes and no time together heading into last season.
And I can't help but wonder if Ty Rodgers might be a pleasant surprise handling the rock from the PG position at times. I'm no insider and don't know if it'll work out or not, but in high school he seemed to orchestrate quite well as the PG. And if Williams is healthy he seems like a pretty unselfish PG. I know these are still "ifs" but if either become true I think we'll be really really good! And if neither become true and we have to go PG by committee I think we'll be solid with the core returning and bringing in solid transfers and potential freshmen that could contribute. And don't forget with Luke Goode healthy it'll be a difference maker. We are very very deep! Foul trouble and fatigue won't be an issue for this team. I'd like to see us play really really fast! Not saying this team is as good, but Flying Illini style anyone?
I hope your scenario plays out. I really, really, do.
The problem with Ty bringing the ball up, is it will hinder him from being an absolute beast on the boards.
Absolutely hoping this Illini is more coachable than last years.
 
#92      
A lot of question marks, but I still like this team better than last year even if we do not add anyone else, and think we will develop well over the season.
I too think this years team will be better than last years even as it stands today. I guess we will see how much and if that meets the bar though. I’m certain that unless it ends in natty, it won’t meet the expectations of most on here!
 
#93      
Our expectations were probably too high last season

- 1 returning starter (Coleman)
- 2 sophomores who saw very limited time RJ and Luke (who missed most of season)
- 3 transfers - TSJ, MM, and Dain. TSJ and MM were role players at TT and Baylor. Dain was effectively a freshman.
- 4 freshman - Skyy (coming off injury), Jayden, Sencire and Ty

20/20 hindsight getting to 20 wins and NCAA tournament was not bad.

Unfortunately after we beat UCLA and TX we got delusions of grandeur. Too many guys playing for themselves instead of the team.

I am think this team is more hungry. I like the idea of Ty, Sencire, TSJ, Coleman and Quincy pressuring our opponents all over the court. I also think Marcus and Luke are very underated and may significantly improve our offense. Finally don't underestimate how much Dain can improve if he loses another 20 lbs and learns to do more than play drop coverage on defense.
 
#94      
Our expectations were probably too high last season

- 1 returning starter (Coleman)
- 2 sophomores who saw very limited time RJ and Luke (who missed most of season)
- 3 transfers - TSJ, MM, and Dain. TSJ and MM were role players at TT and Baylor. Dain was effectively a freshman.
- 4 freshman - Skyy (coming off injury), Jayden, Sencire and Ty

20/20 hindsight getting to 20 wins and NCAA tournament was not bad.

Unfortunately after we beat UCLA and TX we got delusions of grandeur. Too many guys playing for themselves instead of the team.

I am think this team is more hungry. I like the idea of Ty, Sencire, TSJ, Coleman and Quincy pressuring our opponents all over the court. I also think Marcus and Luke are very underated and may significantly improve our offense. Finally don't underestimate how much Dain can improve if he loses another 20 lbs and learns to do more than play drop coverage on defense.
Even during the UCLA and Texas wins, the warning signs were present. We were down double digits in both and had to claw back. That was the team’s M.O. the entire season. Sometimes we’d comeback and win, sometimes we’d comeback and fall short. A few times we never came back at all. But the format of the season was there all along.
 
#95      
Our expectations were probably too high last season

- 1 returning starter (Coleman)
- 2 sophomores who saw very limited time RJ and Luke (who missed most of season)
- 3 transfers - TSJ, MM, and Dain. TSJ and MM were role players at TT and Baylor. Dain was effectively a freshman.
- 4 freshman - Skyy (coming off injury), Jayden, Sencire and Ty

20/20 hindsight getting to 20 wins and NCAA tournament was not bad.

Unfortunately after we beat UCLA and TX we got delusions of grandeur. Too many guys playing for themselves instead of the team.

I am think this team is more hungry. I like the idea of Ty, Sencire, TSJ, Coleman and Quincy pressuring our opponents all over the court. I also think Marcus and Luke are very underated and may significantly improve our offense. Finally don't underestimate how much Dain can improve if he loses another 20 lbs and learns to do more than play drop coverage on defense.
Can't agree with this, and the main reason is, in almost every game we had at least a 10 min stretch where we looked like the best team in the nation.

The team didn't appear to like each other, they certainly didn't gel on the court, the offense looked horrible because it wasn't being run properly, but the talent was absolutely there. That really can't be denied.

To be real honest, they looked like a poorly coached team.
 
#96      
I am surprised they took Nico if they did not think he could contribute. He is the only true PG on the team plus it sounds like he has a reasonable outside shot.

JMO but PG has to have decent handles and ability to feed others. We have solid offense talent on this team. Dain in the paint. TSJ and Luke can hit open 3 pointers. Ty is a beast on the offensive boards. Marcus averaged 17 ppg at SIU. If Nico can run the offense and get people open shots he should play.
 
#97      
I hope your scenario plays out. I really, really, do.
The problem with Ty bringing the ball up, is it will hinder him from being an absolute beast on the boards.
Absolutely hoping this Illini is more coachable than last years.
I had to double check to make sure you weren’t pruman for a sec…. You just need to post some Christopher Walker gifs and your transformation will be nearly complete.
 
#98      
Our expectations were probably too high last season

- 1 returning starter (Coleman)
- 2 sophomores who saw very limited time RJ and Luke (who missed most of season)
- 3 transfers - TSJ, MM, and Dain. TSJ and MM were role players at TT and Baylor. Dain was effectively a freshman.
- 4 freshman - Skyy (coming off injury), Jayden, Sencire and Ty

20/20 hindsight getting to 20 wins and NCAA tournament was not bad.

Unfortunately after we beat UCLA and TX we got delusions of grandeur. Too many guys playing for themselves instead of the team.

I am think this team is more hungry. I like the idea of Ty, Sencire, TSJ, Coleman and Quincy pressuring our opponents all over the court. I also think Marcus and Luke are very underated and may significantly improve our offense. Finally don't underestimate how much Dain can improve if he loses another 20 lbs and learns to do more than play drop coverage on defense.
Realistically we only beat UCLA because Shannon went postal and went 8/9 from 3.

Similarly we beat Texas because Mayer got got hot and carried the team to OT where Shannon took over.

The team could have been very good but it was way too inconsistent because they never had a consistent way to get create good looks. They were capable of beating anyone but it was reliant on Shannon/Mayer getting insanely hot and hitting contested shots to carry the offense which is why they could lose to anyone too.

Realistically the offense would get way too stagnant and they would just run lazy dribble hand offs for 30 seconds and hold the ball on the perimeter until someone launched a 3. Also, I know it's illegal to say bad things about Hawkins but he absolutely killed ball movement by holding onto the ball for seconds after catching it, pump faking a bunch, and then throwing an ill advised pass or taking a 25 ft three.

I dont know what happened and I like Brad but I'm still a little dumbfounded that he never just started running non stop two man games with Shannon and Mayer.
 
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