Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I think if you fire an otherwise successful coach over postseason struggles after 7 years; then hiring an established coach might be difficult.

Coaches who recruit well, regularly win 20 + games, compete for conference championships, and make the NCAA tournament consistently generally are not fired unless it is for gross misconduct.
The reality is he has won only 4 NCAA games in 10 years as a head coach. Never gotten to S16.

He has a monkey on his back and if he wants to keep a job with a top 10 salary in the country he will need to break through.
Nobody would question if they parted ways and claim Illinois has ridiculous expectations.
 
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#128      
Just to be argumentative, I think it's been shown historically that firing a men's basketball coach typically sets a program back 3-5 years. Now that "historical" detail doesn't reflect the reality of today's NIL/portal environment, but I think it's safe to say that a coaching change creates an even larger roster turnover than what we're seeing today, which impacts the next few seasons' results, and not in a good way.
It really depends on who you get. If you managed to get Muss he would have the entire roster turned over in one portal period.
 
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The reality is he has won only 4 NCAA games in 10 years as a head coach. Never gotten to S16.

He has a monkey on his back and if he wants to keep a job with a top 10 salary in the country he will need to break through.
Nobody would question if they parted ways and claim Illinois has ridiculous expectations.
So he should go because Whitman overpaid him?

The comparison is a little bit apples and oranges, but Coach Lou Henson didn't start making postseason play until year 5. He didn't win 2 games in the NCAA tournament until year 9. Should he have been fired in 1982?
 
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because we hadn't won a conference title since 2005 and Underwood won one, so we clearly couldn't do any better.

I don't care if you want to keep Underwood. I don't care if you think he should have been fired after this last season. I'm personally in the boat of, not so sure about you coach, you need to show me something this next season or I will go over to the fire him boat. The part that annoys me is, why do some say my view is the righteous view and anyone who disagrees with me is a miserable person, delusional, or just in general bad? If you disagree with someone's view provide your counter. That's kind of the point of message boards. Boards devolve into a mess when it starts becoming name calling or personal attacks because you don't like someone's view.
It feels like you might have some deeper issues at play here…. 🤔
 
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So he should go because Whitman overpaid him?

The comparison is a little bit apples and oranges, but Coach Lou Henson didn't start making postseason play until year 5. He didn't win 2 games in the NCAA tournament until year 9. Should he have been fired in 1982?
Yes he is overpaid for the results, and yes it is apples and oranges.
 
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Brad is a very good coach. He can recruit well. However, pressure will start to mount on needing a good postseason run. Needs to happen in the next couple of years-this year will be a golden opportunity. Veteran team, all American caliber player, etc. This is a huge year for Brad
I like Brad — great recruiter, good coach although in an ideal world I’d like to find an assistant or two who’s an Xs and Os specialist to help out with some on-court issues.

I think you ride it out with Brad at the very least until we get 1-2 years out of Morez.

If at that point we haven’t seen more postseason success, you can consider moving on — but only if you have someone more proven (WRT postseason success) in your pocket ready to accept. If there’s a Muss or Miller ready to take the job, I’d be all for it. But if there’s even a slight possibility firing Brad leads to a lateral move or downgrade, I’m against it.
 
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Just don't see it w/o a capable PG, which we don't have. I think they'll be about as good as or slightly better than last year.

Add a capable PG and I would predict Sweet 16 or better as we have some really good pieces at the 2-5 positions. If only there were some good PGs out there, because our roster should be a very attractive place for a PG to step into.
Kerr Kriisa, come on over…
 
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Yes he is overpaid for the results, and yes it is apples and oranges.
The Henson comparison is valid if you look at the details. His first 4 teams were not making an expanded NCAA field. His NIT teams -- years 5 & 7 - would have been on the bubble at best. Underwood is ahead of Henson at the same stage. I don't care what he's paid.

If he starts going to the NIT, cut him loose.
 
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Very good coach? ✅
Can recruit well? ✅

If those two very important factors are solidly in place, firing for the sake of firing seems very short sighted. We hear complaints about coaches being good Xs and Os guys but can’t recruit, or being good recruiters but can’t coach.

If Brad indeed adept at those two qualities, barring any external factors, keeping him should be a top priority. The last coach we had with both of those traits is now winning National Championships at Kansas (after years of horrible tournament failures, no less).
I am not 100% sure he is a very good coach. I am still on the fence whether Gentry was the x and o mastermind for Underwood. The offense was best in the couple years he was reunited with Underwood and hasn't been great since he left. I think he is a solid coach. He has made some adjustments which is a sign of a good coach but there have also been several times he has either failed to create a team rather than a collection of individuals or make adjustments in game. He should get a lot of credit for staff assembly. He has almost always had a good to great staff which is the sign of a good leader.
 
#138      
Very good coach? ✅
Can recruit well? ✅

If those two very important factors are solidly in place, firing for the sake of firing seems very short sighted. We hear complaints about coaches being good Xs and Os guys but can’t recruit, or being good recruiters but can’t coach.

If Brad indeed adept at those two qualities, barring any external factors, keeping him should be a top priority. The last coach we had with both of those traits is now winning National Championships at Kansas (after years of horrible tournament failures, no less).
Self went to 2 elite 8s in his first 3 tourney appearances….
 
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Kenny Battle would be the heart and soul of any team he would have been on. If you don't know this, you weren't around to see the '89 team play.
Lol, I played with him at Impe and others several times. Im older than Battle by a few years.. We were talking about top 12 picks. Battle was late 20s.
 
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Winning a B1G tournament is a bit harder than a sweet 16, winning a B1G title is harder than sweet 16. In a way , I think he has raised the expectations, then we cherry pick NCAA success and ignore everything else. Feel like if we only had the NCAA run without the regular season excellence then we would mark it off as lucky. I get the NCAA, but we have been a very good team, number 1 seed good. Keep playing at that level and NCAA will come,
Some teams are built for the long haul. The regular season. However, when the lights are on and its one and done, they aren't prepared for that pressure and they fail. You see it in all sports. Check out the Bruins in the NHL. Best regular season ever, done in the first round. Now, in Boston they're talking about a rebuild. Time for Brad to prove he can win both in season and in the NCAA. The B1G tournament is nice but I almost prefer an early exit and rest for the guys going into the tournament that really matters.
 
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Lol, I played with him at Impe and others several times. Im older than Battle by a few years.. We were talking about top 12 picks. Battle was late 20s.
Not talking about skill level or draft position. I'm talking about the heart of the player. That's what I mean by heart and soul. Remember, this was about the make up of the perfect Illini player.
 
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Some teams are built for the long haul. The regular season. However, when the lights are on and its one and done, they aren't prepared for that pressure and they fail. You see it in all sports. Check out the Bruins in the NHL. Best regular season ever, done in the first round. Now, in Boston they're talking about a rebuild. Time for Brad to prove he can win both in season and in the NCAA. The B1G tournament is nice but I almost prefer an early exit and rest for the guys going into the tournament that really matters.
TBF the only reason Boston is in a rebuild is a couple stars are possibly retiring and they are in a bad spot with the cap. They aren't doing it because they lost in the first round
 
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ike it or not, it's hard to separate Underwood's tenure here from Ayo and more importantly Kofi. Our defense was pretty pathetic until Kofi showed up, and it wasn't great after he left. Having a 1st and 2nd team All American on our roster gave us a great season, but an extremely disappointing tourney result. The question is, does Underwood need that level of talent to win?
Yes, it almost always takes elite talent to produce elite results. Our most successful teams have had multiple NBA players and / or McDonald's All Americans.
 
#147      
Brad’s seat should not be warm. A big ten title or 2 + big tournament, that is crazy from where we were when he got here. Yeah disappointing NCAA run, but last years roster rebuild has carried into this years. We missed on Dennis, with some luck and chemistry we could have been really special this year, don’t blame him for taking his shot and not settling. Williams would be nice backup, giving us something more than a 1 yr rental. Many teams are struggling with turnover, it’s a new world out there. We will be better than last year, even at pg (in hindsight), assuming Williams doesn’t bomb out with outside issues. I gotta believe staff is confident they get the waiver. Think the Achilles is probably more a question of how far it will be back.
Actually bro Knoville is guessing on the severity of the lack of PG. Williams maybe just fine ... we will have to see. Else it will likely be PG by committee with Harris, Rodgers, Shannon, Goode???, Moretti getting minutes
 
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Self went to 2 elite 8s in his first 3 tourney appearances….
Actually, an EE and an S16 his first 2 at UI. He also inherited 3 McDonald's All Americans, 3 NBA players, a Mr. Basketball, and Lucas Johnson. Frank Williams, Brian Cook, Robert Archibald, Marcus Griffin, Sergio McClain. Plus Cory Bradford, Sean Harrington ...
 
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