Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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Newmark4thFloor
- Houstown
I second this comment!!
Our NIL deals need to start being heavily weighted to subsequent years.
As far as I know the only rule for NIL is it can't officially be tied to performance - so could we say "$100K first year, then it doubles every year after that, that you remain on the team"?
I'm not an NIL expert by any means but I like the idea of rewarding players who stick around with back end loaded contracts.
I would be doing multi year contracts with performance incentives and personal expectations. I realize they can't but that is a way to start controlling it.
My understanding is the contracts are not between any university entity and the player, but rather third parties, who control the contract language. Therefore, trying to impose a multi year deal on the players may not be in the best interests of the parties writing the checks . . . .
Every entity paying these players have extreme ties and loyalties to helping in the successes of schools.
Year 1 - 10 appearances, no negative publicity- receive "X"
Year 2 - 15 appearances, 20 hours community service, no negative PR. Year 1 $ x 1.75
Year 3 - 20, 20 no negative PR. Year 2 x 2
Year 4 -same expectations + degree, loyalty reward for staying 4 years Year 3 x 4
More to it, but this could be done.
Year 1 - 10 appearances, no negative publicity- receive "X"
Year 2 - 15 appearances, 20 hours community service, no negative PR. Year 1 $ x 1.75
Year 3 - 20, 20 no negative PR. Year 2 x 2
Year 4 -same expectations + degree, loyalty reward for staying 4 years Year 3 x 4
More to it, but this could be done.
What do you do if a student walks away from the program despite the contract
Take a legal action against them
That seems pretty unlikely, but than I'm not expert on how NIL actually works.
Any multi-year deal with third party companies would likely have buyout clauses. Let’s say School X offers $100k the first year and $200k the second with additional incentives. There might be a $75k buyout that the student would have to pay back if opting out before the second year. But that presumably wouldn’t be a problem as school Y offers $500k. It would just be like standard coaching contracts.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Good morning Dr. Chandra....................I have a couple of questions for you......................
Hello Hal , how can I help you today ??
Well Dr. Chandra , I wonder why the loyalty board has such great disdain for Mr. Underwood lately ??
I've been wondering that myself Hal.....Do you have an opinion on this subject ??
Well , it seems to me that the Illini Nation doesn't appreciate the last 4 years of play by the Illini............
Well Hal , welcome to the world of human misgivings and reservations relating to reality.....The carbon unit brain has serious flaws related to enjoying anything good going on without the natural Homo Sapien behavior of something bad is just around the corner......Does that make sense to you.........
Is this a correlation dating back to their hunter-gatherer history and worrying about their existence for the immediate future ??
yes , that's one way to look at it .......another way is the belief that the human brain can't stand success without the similar existence of their extinction lingering in the vast recesses of their mind........
OK , I think I get it ........it's been forecast that a carbon unit only uses 10 % of their brain ..............right ??
That is correct Hal , but when it comes to sports and the active duty of being a fanatic about certain teams that all reality goes out the proverbial window........
I'm glad our windows are only for looking out Dr. Chandra.....................
Me too Hal ......me too.......Do you feel better now Hal.........???
Not really Dr. Chandra ........I think a pru bikini pic or two would help my hard drive immensely........
Me too Hal......me too........................................
Well Chandra , how's boy blunder doing today ??
he wants to see a couple of pru's bikini babe pics.......
Me too Chandra ........me too................................
NIL funding for student athletes by 3rd parties is uniquely purposeful for having that athlete be at a specific university, so I don't see an issue here with 3rd parties as they know their role in this. I think multi-year contracts are the future here and it probably won't look all that dissimilar to most sports contracts, maybe a first appearance premium that acts as a signing bonus, and escalators built in based on loyalty to make backloaded contracts.
As for verbiage to get this through, I think something of the type: "NIL funding is provided primarily in association with local [insert college town] Champaign-Urbana businesses interested in local collegiate [insert sport] basketball players making appearances per [insert contract terms]. As such these terms are contingent upon said athlete being enrolled as a collegiate athlete within the [insert college town] Champaign-Urbana regional footprint (See attached map) and capable of making the following in-person scheduled appearances [insert list]."
It's far from perfect obviously and just meant to be a general example, but there are ways a 3rd party can tie NIL to an athlete playing at a given school without actually naming said school or "acting on the school's behalf". Sadly, as we all know, this is just one big song and dance to avoid schools from having to say their student athletes are their employees, and it won't stop 3rd parties from getting creative with their contract verbiage to ensure the university and donor goals are aligned when it comes to a student attending said university.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Mad props, Pru. As an ardent 2001/2010/Clarke/Kubrick fan I'm all for these metaphorical references. (BTW, I re-watched Interstellar last evening for the umpteenth time. Big Christopher Nolan fan, too. Perhaps we can enter a black hole, speak to Mr. Underwood last April from our Friday morning June 23 QB chair, solve some sort of gravity conundrum communicated via Morse code through an old wristwatch, and salvage our PG recruitment, thus saving humanity.)
My more succinct answer to your question "I wonder why the loyalty board has such great disdain for Mr. Underwood lately ??"
The human tendency toward "What have you done for me lately?" And the axiom that, like nature, the Board discussion, abhors a vacuum.
As I've noted regularly, I have nothing useful to add to the various opinions about Mr. Underwood's recruiting acumen, temperamental volatility, and alleged mulishness and general uselessness. We'll see where we are in mid-November, and again in January. And then early March. The world is not static.
I'm a glass-half-full guy. Not interested in making the best the enemy of the good when intangibles have yet to be priced into the value of Illini basketball stock. Or, worse still, time-travel back to 2015.
Perhaps we'll end up next February sorely disappointed. Or perhaps, per Dave Bowman, as he enters the star gate, we'll exclaim: "The thing's hollow.... it goes on forever and... oh my God!... it's full of stars!"
Life, after all, is glorious mystery. Peace out to my Illini brothers and sisters; kind wishes for a pleasant weekend.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
To you, apparently. It's a big tent here.
Joel Goodson
- ties will be resolved
this would be good:
FWLIW, I doubt this guy has inside info
sidenote: can we keep the Podz stuff on the NBA/cottage cheese thread, please?
FWLIW, I doubt this guy has inside info
sidenote: can we keep the Podz stuff on the NBA/cottage cheese thread, please?
Can he start this fall and form a rivalry with his brother?
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Mad props, Pru. As an ardent 2001/2010/Clarke/Kubrick fan I'm all for these metaphorical references. (BTW, I re-watched Interstellar last evening for the umpteenth time. Big Christopher Nolan fan, too. Perhaps we can enter a black hole, speak to Mr. Underwood last April from our Friday morning June 23 QB chair, solve some sort of gravity conundrum communicated via Morse code through an old wristwatch, and salvage our PG recruitment, thus saving humanity.)
My more succinct answer to your question "I wonder why the loyalty board has such great disdain for Mr. Underwood lately ??"
The human tendency toward "What have you done for me lately?" And the axiom that, like nature, the Board discussion, abhors a vacuum.
As I've noted regularly, I have nothing useful to add to the various opinions about Mr. Underwood's recruiting acumen, temperamental volatility, and alleged mulishness and general uselessness. We'll see where we are in mid-November, and again in January. And then early March. The world is not static.
I'm a glass-half-full guy. Not interested in making the best the enemy of the good when intangibles have yet to be priced into the value of Illini basketball stock. Or, worse still, time-travel back to 2015.
Perhaps we'll end up next February sorely disappointed. Or perhaps, per Dave Bowman, as he enters the star gate, we'll exclaim: "The thing's hollow.... it goes on forever and... oh my God!... it's full of stars!"
Life, after all, is glorious mystery. Peace out to my Illini brothers and sisters; kind wishes for a pleasant weekend.
Alas , Mr. Bowman entered the celestial transfer portal and was overwhelmed with the possibilities abounding in a different dimension..............
Been reading Loyalty for ion's and in the current reality it boggles the mind................It really really does........seems like this should apply to the state of affairs...........................................
As death will unravel life's mysterious transitional journey , the start of B$G will unravel the PG situation for the Illini.............
It will be a piece of pie..................
NOOOOOOOOO...............a piece of cake , comrade .........a piece of cake.....................
The journey continues..........................................................................it really really does.............................
It seems like we are in a great spot with Fears. But given he is a 2025, would it be wrong to fear, even if he does commit, that the recruitment isn't really over?
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