Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
Hey, it worked for Lovie... um... crap.
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What are Tylers shortcomings that make his caliber less than desired? What exactly is his new position and what are his responsibilities? I honestly have no idea what they are.
Tyler might end up being a decent coach someday though a lot of coaches kids don't. However, it's the lack of experience that it getting people upset.
Tyler only has 2 years of work experience and it's been basically as a grad assistant from what I understand. They could have used the assistant coaching spot to get someone with a lot more experience or get someone with recruiting connections to AAU pipelines.
Hey, he is after all an "Eternal Optimist".
I thought it would be implied with Michael Scott that I was being sarcastic.
Thanks for this post. My comments on the 23-24 thread were pretty well panned. Obviously, I didn't come with the wealth of knowledge you have. But we're the U of I. No reasonable person believes that this was the limit to what we could pull off with this hire.I wouldn’t say pissed in my cheerios … But the explanations lately regarding decisions … I’m not exactly thrilled with …
Continuing to promote his own kid doesn’t help his case with anyone … Especially the boosters …
It’s the constant stubbornness that infuriates people … Not necessarily just me either …
Like you miss on RayJ … Okay, fine … Stuff happened … Whatever … The refusal to go after ANYONE else when there are good options available is baffling …
Now when the opportunity comes to add 2 more assistants … He promotes his own kid and a guy whose biggest job before coming here was being the video coordinator for the Indiana Fever … And since he’s been here with his great “offensive scheme” … It’s been nothing butthat we’ve scrapped every year … Those are just the facts …
Meanwhile … Nate Oats hired Preston Murphy who’s an elite recruiter and has already landed a kid after being employed only 24 hours … Bryce Drew got the top recruiter at Wyoming to come to GCU for one of his spots … Hurley has Irvin and Irvin obviously got Ace to come there along with Shawn Phillips … Using those 2 new assistant spots to tap in to new connections is a major advantage that Brad refused to take advantage of …
Once again Brad being stubborn and promoting his own kid when he could’ve hired someone like an AAU program director like Ryan Owens like Shrews did and tapped into his connections recruiting wise … Penny tapped into Andy Bormans connections with the NY Rens …
I just don’t like some decisions that are being made the only answer I’m getting is how we didn’t need a PG anyways and that Tyler is better than anyone else we could’ve got … I don’t have anything against Tyler in the role he was in … But when I know for a fact some of the guys that would’ve been interested … That’s frustrating …
Dick and Tony Bennett
Coach: Dick Bennett | Tony BennettSchool(s): Green Bay, Wisconsin, Washington State | Washington State, Virginia
Years active: 1985-2006 | 2006-Present
Career record: 316-227 | 364-136
Career winning percentage: .582 | .728
NCAA tournament record: 5-7 | 16-9
Homer and Scott/Bryce Drew
Coach: Homer Drew | Scott Drew | Bryce DrewSchool(s): Valparaiso | Valparaiso/Baylor | Valparaiso/Vanderbilt
Years active: 1988-2002; 2003-11 | 2002-Present | 2011-19; 2020-21
Career record: 370-306 | 392-226 | 181-115
Career winning percentage: .547 | .634 | .611
NCAA tournament record: 2-7 | 17-8 | 0-4
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Years active: 1975-76; 1978-1983; 1985-87; 1989-97; 2001-17; 2020-Present | 2012-Present
Career record: 782-277* | 159-137
Career winning percentage: .738* | .537
NCAA tournament record: 54-20* | 1-2
*Louisville had 123 wins from these totals vacated from 2011-15
do you think Tyler Underwood brings the connections you want to help build your program, or do you think dad is saying, this will be a great start to your career as a coach?
I've always said, the only thing slimier than college athletics is politics. It's a little less slimy now because you can pay kids above there board, but how that is happening is still kinda slimy currently in this wild west of NIL. So, if you want to be a successful program, you need every advantage you can get. Do you think Bobby Hurley hired Nick Irvin for his coaching acumen, or because he can land him players from Chicago? I'll give you a hint, it is not his acumen.
So what does Tyler Underwood bring to the program? I have minimal problem with getting your kid started on his career with a low level position, but there is an opportunity cost there. To me none of it matters if you win, and given Underwood's salary you need to win at a pretty high level.
Ya I wonder who would of taken the position that has some serious AAU connections. Im sure there were numerous options. Time will tell I guess.
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I am just responding to your post Bret because I didn't want to go back to Indy's and I appreciate the thoughts of each of you. As I understand the new positions they are non-recruiting positions. Maybe it is worth it to us to get someone with connections but I wonder if those with connections are going to take non-recruiting positions when they could turn those into recruiting assistant coach positions. Those of you who know more than I about that could maybe explain how that works. Thanks for all your posts.
I would of loved to see a guy with serious AAU connections that AAU coaches and kids like and respect.
FWIW, here’s the first line regarding the change on the NCAA website.
“The Council voted to eliminate the voluntary coach designation across Division I, instead including those coaches within a new limit for countable coaches in each of the applicable sports.”
Illinois made some hires that aligned with the whole purpose behind the change. This wouldn’t be news if people weren’t mad at Underwood for missing on RayJ.
“The Council voted to eliminate the voluntary coach designation across Division I, instead including those coaches within a new limit for countable coaches in each of the applicable sports.”
Illinois made some hires that aligned with the whole purpose behind the change. This wouldn’t be news if people weren’t mad at Underwood for missing on RayJ.
They also had Andre Tyler one of the top freshman in state.
If you want to hire a former player who “knows the system” … Hire DMFW … Or even Leron Black who is currently a GA at Dayton … Not your own kid … Tyler was fine in the position he was in …
We’ve got one now who was connected to the FBI operation and he’s our HC …
And FWIW, Preston Murphy and Ghost Owens make Tyler look like a Dad coaching 3rd graders at the rec center when it comes to X&Os …
All of that is fair. I was mostly just busting your chops. Everything you said seems pretty valid. I think we definitely needed an offensive scheme/teacher guy brought in and then a recruiter for the other spot, especially with ties to a strong AAU or prep school would have been nice.I wouldn’t say pissed in my cheerios … But the explanations lately regarding decisions … I’m not exactly thrilled with …
Continuing to promote his own kid doesn’t help his case with anyone … Especially the boosters …
It’s the constant stubbornness that infuriates people … Not necessarily just me either …
Like you miss on RayJ … Okay, fine … Stuff happened … Whatever … The refusal to go after ANYONE else when there are good options available is baffling …
Now when the opportunity comes to add 2 more assistants … He promotes his own kid and a guy whose biggest job before coming here was being the video coordinator for the Indiana Fever … And since he’s been here with his great “offensive scheme” … It’s been nothing but
Meanwhile … Nate Oats hired Preston Murphy who’s an elite recruiter and has already landed a kid after being employed only 24 hours … Bryce Drew got the top recruiter at Wyoming to come to GCU for one of his spots … Hurley has Irvin and Irvin obviously got Ace to come there along with Shawn Phillips … Using those 2 new assistant spots to tap in to new connections is a major advantage that Brad refused to take advantage of …
Once again Brad being stubborn and promoting his own kid when he could’ve hired someone like an AAU program director like Ryan Owens like Shrews did and tapped into his connections recruiting wise … Penny tapped into Andy Bormans connections with the NY Rens …
I just don’t like some decisions that are being made the only answer I’m getting is how we didn’t need a PG anyways and that Tyler is better than anyone else we could’ve got … I don’t have anything against Tyler in the role he was in … But when I know for a fact some of the guys that would’ve been interested … That’s frustrating …
Out here in my neck of the woods, Sunrise Christian head coach was hired at Texas Tech. Sunrise has a TTTTOOOONNNN of top kids. Will that translate to Texas Tech? Will be interesting.
Uhhh pretty sure if we had Nicks adjustments against Loyola we would’ve won by 30 so …….
Didn't realize Leron was coaching. Always felt he could have been a much bigger part of a good team that was completely wasted in the dark ages of UI bball.
He got one of the 3 recruiting slots at Tech … and FWIW, I know Luke VERY well … He will be elite at Tech …
I’ve got 3 guys who called me and told me they’d take it … All with legit AAU connections … Lot of their kids come available via portal …
Yep - has been at Dayton since 2021 … Anthony always has great things to tell me about him and how great he is with the guys and the bigs especially … He really works with Daron Holmes a lot …
He never would have gotten any of the opportunities that he's had if his last name was not Underwood. Literally, everything he's gotten has been nepotism. His entire six-year college basketball playing career then his position as director of recruiting and scouting and now an assistant coaching position. We have no idea if he is qualified based on merit for any of those positions, other than Brad Underwood's word on it, who just so happens to be his father.
Sometimes those nepo kids work out. Maybe he's the next Scott Drew. Hopefully he's not the next Brian Ferentz.
All valid observations.
I was not aware of BU promoting his kid.
Agree it is questionable if we had better options.
But I do seem to recall that Tyler had a friend who had data that convinced Underwood to scrap the crappy defense he brought from the SFA level we had been playing.
It didn't work at OSU and I had college coaches tell me it would not work at this level in BT either.
Maybe should have hired Tyler's buddy.
Think you’re talking about Neel Ganta …
He is now with KSE, working with the NBA Champion Denver Nuggets … Doing all of their strategy & analytics …
Yeah, I do not know him personally, though my business dealings sometimes put me in similar circles. I have never heard anyone say something negative about him.
Plus, I cannot imagine how a guy can keep that many top tier talents happy. Their whole team will go D1. Power 5 D1.
I don't get what you mean here. The rule was changed to allow more coaching. Hiring someone new from the outside would have been "aligned with the purpose ".
This has nothing to do with Dennis. It has everything to do with the product on the court last year and the feeling that the underperformance was in part due to coaching. We made no changes there even when this golden opportunity presented itself to make a change without handing out a pink slip.
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