Groce is definitely mid major material.
Weber on the other hand -recruiting is a big part of Top 20 MBB coaches job and Bruce was not very good at it. His record at KSU was similar to post Self recruits at Illinois. At KSU he made NCAA 5 out of 10 years. Had only 4 twenty win seasons. Made it to elite 8 once and lost first round the other 4 times. . Weber was an average P5 coach - no championships for being nice guy. the 2004 and 2005 seasons with Weber were fantastic but he never repeated it.
Bill Self was very good at Illinois and even better at Kansas.
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I agree with you. I'd put Weber overall at above average P5 coach, typically good for a top half of the conference finish with some spike years and tourney success, but too inconsistent, stubborn, and unable to recruit for the system he wishes to run to have continued success. Self is indeed a top tier coach, no denying that. It was good times from '03 to '06 thinking we had the better end of that deal, what followed was far less enjoyable.