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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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I don't think that is true.
You are right. Weber did exceedingly well for one year given a team that perfectly matched his system. Then he burnt the whole thing down until Underwood got Ayo and Kofi. He wasn't good at assembling a staff and he chased recruiting rankings instead of recruiting his system.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
A lot of why bubbles gets grief here is him ragging on his players in the media and talking out of his arse...........As far as his X's and O's acumen , I remember a lot of last second shots from deep to avoid the shot clock and his constant hollering at the players to move.......
2005 was a magical year and he deserves credit , but that was his high point as the Illini coach.......He never got on a roll recruiting after that year......But , he did coach a 37-2 National Championship Runner up team , so there is that.....I was NOT sad he got the boot....
In fairness to Weber, IDKWTI and Sampscum killed him. We could have had Gordon and Derrick Rose. We could have had E'Twan Moore, but scumbags lied. Though he was responsible for selecting Billy Cole over Robbie Hummel. That was also killer.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
This team has 3-4 All Big Ten players. Ain’t missing the tourney.
Players leaving and graduating is almost a certainty. And I am one who cringes at the thought of Sean Miller coaching the Illini. Simply amazing the things people will say on a message board.
I have seen a legendary coach whose players loved to play for him fired for some reasons that a parent took from nothing and made into an egregious sin. It is not pretty nor does it take much thought...and any thought of so doing does not generally get much mulling over or critical thought...especially on a message board.
Without much ado, my choice is to enjoy watching this group of talented...and hopefully team oriented...players grow, hopefully together...while allowing Whitman to do HIS job.
Marcus Domask is a 3x All-MVC player
Quincy Guerrier is an All-ACC player
Terrence Shannon is an All-B12 & All-B1G player.
Experience. Experience.
foby
- Bonnaroo Land
Would've been 4 time if played a full season his sophomore year.
Weber gets treated worse only because, as a collective, we prefer to forget about Groce and Beckman.
USAFILLINI
- Florida
His job will be locking down Sean Miller
Weber gets treated worse (unfairly I agree but am guilty myself sometimes) because we saw his heights, and witnessed his / our full fall. Groce and Beckman never got there at all.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
I hope not as facts support that as a serious downgrade. But if Whitman and Illini fans agree that Miller is the savior, they deserve him. The University of Illinois can and should do much better.His job will be locking down Sean Miller
Bruce nor John Groce ever had an Orlando Atigua or Tim Anderson, even Chester Frazier. May have made a big difference. Add Fletch to those teams also.
Like who, the last three coaches we plucked were mid-majors plus one Oklahoma State year with Brad. With Josh, however, and our NIL stash the next hire will be much more seasoned and established. Jmo
As for Sean Miller cheating, we need to get off our high horse. This is no longer about the prestige of our academic institution, it’s business and dollars! Are USC and UCLA coming in because they want to rub shoulders with institutions with high academic standing? Yeah, right.. $$$$$$
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Part of being a good head coach is the ability to attract and lead a stable of good assistant coaches. Underwoods‘s already had to rebuild a second staff from scratch. The two staff’s he’s assembled are both superior to what Groce and Weber could put together.
There was a huge difference in how very good. Howard, by far the worst coach, was by far the very "goodest" player. He had a 19 year NBA career. Painter was a distant second; a rotation level B1G player. Izzo, the best coach, was the worst player -- a D-2 star.
It's like there is an inverse relationship between athletic talent and coaching skill. Note that clubhouse pros at golf courses are not the necessarily the best golfers, but are good teachers.
John Beilein was another pretty good college coach. He played his college ball at the Wheeling College powerhouse.
You can downplay it, but Tyler Underwood had more actual experience playing college basketball than Bruce Weber. As much as I dislike Weber, he was a fairly capable coach.
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Even if Ty Rodgers is not a true point guard, Dravyn Gibbs-Lawhorn and Niccolo Moretti are good players.
DGL is a stud athlete with skills. Moretti can handle, pass, and shoot. The only question is whether they are good enough defensively as freshmen.
Justin Harmon is an athletic combo guard with plenty of experience.
You beat me to it.
When I was a kid, Mr. Roberts told me to get out of his yard / off his lawn. Someone once asked him his first name. He replied "Mr."
it's a lot easier to attract coaches when you've got a lot more money to play with. Part of the reason the standard for success has risen is because the investment in the program has risen.
The reason why is explained pretty well in 'Revenge of the Nerds.'
I really don't want to rehash 15 years of the same argument on here as I know full well some fans liked Weber, and some hated him and blame him for burning down what was a golden era for us. And I think people for sure are entitled to their opinions there, I'm just sort of sick of seeing this continue to go on when we're already so far removed and it's not like he purposefully or maliciously destroyed the program.
But since we're still here, let's see who Weber left Groce just to check how badly Illinois basketball was destroyed when he left:
Sr BP3: 2x 3rd team all-B10, had a cup of coffee in the NBA, 4star recruit (#126)
Sr DJ Richardson: 3rd team all-B10, B10 freshman of the year, 4star recruit (#115)
Jr Tracy Abrams: 4star Top 100 recruit (#67)
So Nnanna Egwu: B10 all-defense, 4star Top 100 recruit (#70)
So Mychael Henry: 4star Top 100 recruit (#60), had a cup of coffee in the NBA
HS Sr recruit Malcolm Hill: 2x 2nd team all-B10, had a cup of coffee in the NBA, 4star Top 100 recruit (#69)
Weber left Groce with 4 all-conference players, 4 Top 100 players, and 6 4stars. That's certainly not leaving the cupboards bare in my opinion. And I do understand that folks are still angry with Weber to this day for taking a Top 10 team and turning it into a bubble team, but it still seems more than a bit much to me, as there are so so many people to blame for our falloff than just him. Also, I'm not trying to rag on you or anything, it's just that I'm so done with the Weber snarkiness in general. It just never really sat right to me to constantly beat a man up for 15+ years because he failed to live up to everyone's expectations. At some point we just have to let this one go.
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