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Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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Ugh this clown. Stole a year from TJ. Whoever was the lead recruit on him should be !!!! canned. He was an embarrassment. The ultimate me guy.
Hard pass
The Michigan and Daddy Brad days are over and I hate it.
Haven’t heard this name mentioned but figured I’d throw it in here since we are on the list
Bigtex
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despite being on a bad team - his numbers improved across the board.
Bigtex
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sleepers said Wolf wanted to walk-on at Michigan. Not sure on the impact on Goldin!
That’s how I felt last year, but at WVU he shot 42.4% from 3 on 6+ attempts per game.
Nope. Pass
feel like that's a half truth. Danja produced but sat a ton. Harmon didn't and he got plenty of opportunity to miss the corner 3. Feel like it's more like BU knows which mouths he has to feed, who is more willing to go hungry and who he has to blow smoke at for back up plan reasons. Lieb/BV leaving and not having a true 5 left Danja is back up roll because of CH and him playing at the same time, getting into foul trouble, only having Hansberry as the last big. Not playing a true 5 limited CH as we all know and hope he stays and land a true 5. even 4 bigs with Morez gives the high/low sharp passing CH and Low post move extraordinare Danja freedom and potency.Plus a ton of opportunities for drive and dish and drive and kick.
you can buy the sales pitch or see the forest through the trees and see how it is all connected.
How do people know his ceiling is very low offensively? Who has personally been to practices and can give an accurate assessment of his offensive development over the past season?
illini0440
It’s not like we’re kicking kicking anyone out and you can’t force a kid to stay. Moretti role will never be more than what it was this year. He can go down a level and play. Just don’t see it with Buck on the offensive end, and it’s still not a forgone conclusion Luke is leaving.
I thought two years ago during that off season that it would be BUs most challenging to date. It wasn’t a great season, but I think he showed he can do some pretty great recruiting in the portal. I expect similar results this year.
Storr, Maddox, and Hill to go along with a starting PG and C would be the best haul you can ask for.
I haven’t felt this high on the program in a while, even after the Kofi years. I trust this staff more than any since Self was here. Such a refreshing mindset to have.
Storr, Maddox, and Hill to go along with a starting PG and C would be the best haul you can ask for.
I haven’t felt this high on the program in a while, even after the Kofi years. I trust this staff more than any since Self was here. Such a refreshing mindset to have.
I'm sure the same opinion is shared by every coach, staff and fanbase. Alas, 4 year commits are sadly becoming a thing of the past with portal roulette and the NIL Wild West. Unless the ncaa reigns it in, this is the new normal. While I hate it, I also admit the transfer season is wildly entertaining compared to the glacially slow moving recruitments of the past.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Part of the problem is that it's basically impossible to have Rodgers and Harris on the floor at the same time with both being total non-shooters.illini0440
It’s not like we’re kicking kicking anyone out and you can’t force a kid to stay. Moretti role will never be more than what it was this year. He can go down a level and play. Just don’t see it with Buck on the offensive end, and it’s still not a forgone conclusion Luke is leaving.
Rodgers seems to be the priority, which is justifiable given the variety of other things he provides. So as much as I might want to carve out a big role for Harris, who I really like as a player (and who I haven't given up on as a shooter), we just kinda can't.
I believe it’s a Sencire question.
You are correct. It was Famey. But it was Mel, not Milt. One of the funniest plays on words of all time. Runner-up: I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy - Tom Waits, I think.
Can someone help me share the excitement? I'm not saying the coaches don't know what they're doing, or that this isn't going to work. I'm just not sure what others are seeing...
Illinois was elite on offense this past year due to being pretty good at all three of: TS% (50th in the nation), ORB (21st) and low turnovers (35th). So our 57%TS was good, but not great on its own.
Looking at the "year prior to transfer" stats of this past season's key players, you can see how they promised value in one/more of those categories, except maybe Harmon (we could hope he'd be more efficient with less usage, but that didn't pan out). TSJ and Domask had about the same TS% in their first year with us as they did prior to transferring. Guerrier improved from 53%->56%. TSJ improved from 58%->62% in his 2nd year with us.
For the rumored incoming transfers, I'm struggling with the low TS% of Boswell, Storr, and Hill. Maddox and Davis have great TS%, but Davis doesn't seem like a high-volume guy. FWIW, the Sports-Reference defensive metrics for this group (except maybe Boswell) are also worse than our previous transfers. Our returning players don't look any better at TS%, though Rodgers and Hansberry were good rebounders, so it looks like we're really counting on some transfers for scoring.
So is the excitement that:
- Maddox already is a high-efficiency higher-volume scorer
- Hopefully at least one of Storr/Hill improve significantly with less usage
- Boswell had a 58%TS prior to this year and still had a good 3P% this year, so hopefully he just took some dumb 2pt shots that we can eliminate. Plus he can at least be a good ball handler and capable defender regardless of his efficiency
- Davis can hit some 3s (and hopefully be ok on defense)
- Hopefully DGL/Hansberry will improve and/or are already much better than their stats
If so, there are a lot of "hopefullys", so I don't think I will be excited until I see the results. I get that college players can improve significantly, but looking at our recent transfers (and those of Alabama, since someone mentioned them), that's far from guaranteed.
Illinois was elite on offense this past year due to being pretty good at all three of: TS% (50th in the nation), ORB (21st) and low turnovers (35th). So our 57%TS was good, but not great on its own.
Looking at the "year prior to transfer" stats of this past season's key players, you can see how they promised value in one/more of those categories, except maybe Harmon (we could hope he'd be more efficient with less usage, but that didn't pan out). TSJ and Domask had about the same TS% in their first year with us as they did prior to transferring. Guerrier improved from 53%->56%. TSJ improved from 58%->62% in his 2nd year with us.
For the rumored incoming transfers, I'm struggling with the low TS% of Boswell, Storr, and Hill. Maddox and Davis have great TS%, but Davis doesn't seem like a high-volume guy. FWIW, the Sports-Reference defensive metrics for this group (except maybe Boswell) are also worse than our previous transfers. Our returning players don't look any better at TS%, though Rodgers and Hansberry were good rebounders, so it looks like we're really counting on some transfers for scoring.
So is the excitement that:
- Maddox already is a high-efficiency higher-volume scorer
- Hopefully at least one of Storr/Hill improve significantly with less usage
- Boswell had a 58%TS prior to this year and still had a good 3P% this year, so hopefully he just took some dumb 2pt shots that we can eliminate. Plus he can at least be a good ball handler and capable defender regardless of his efficiency
- Davis can hit some 3s (and hopefully be ok on defense)
- Hopefully DGL/Hansberry will improve and/or are already much better than their stats
If so, there are a lot of "hopefullys", so I don't think I will be excited until I see the results. I get that college players can improve significantly, but looking at our recent transfers (and those of Alabama, since someone mentioned them), that's far from guaranteed.
Bronny James
Insiders, can you confirm?illini0440
It’s not like we’re kicking kicking anyone out and you can’t force a kid to stay. Moretti role will never be more than what it was this year. He can go down a level and play. Just don’t see it with Buck on the offensive end, and it’s still not a forgone conclusion Luke is leaving.
Coleman will only come back if we find a solid center in the portal. CH does NOT want to play center anymore. His potential in the NBA as he sees it is as a forward. Playing center takes him out of games with foul trouble besides effecting his mind set.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
This is a terrific post that is asking the right questions and I'm glad to see the data so favorable toward Maddox.
The one thing I'd note is that comparing Storr and Boswell as second year players in major conferences to Domask as a senior at a mid-major isn't exactly apples to apples.
I thought 0440 WAS an insider??
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