Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
Maybe you should have shown the Bears. I think that their time is just around the corner.
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The more talented a player the more drama you are willing to withstand.
Unless you decide that you don't want to.

Really, the corollary to your rule is that the better standing your program is the less drama you're willing to take on.

We're standing pretty good right now. We don't need drama. We need culture. Skyy was drama. Domask was culture. It seems like we know the formula that works and the one that leaves us looking like Wile E Coyote.
 
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Exactly what I’m saying. Brad didn’t try/want to keep him. Nor Skyy. All the other transfers Brad wanted to keep
Gotcha. Misread your previous post hence the confusion. Appreciate the clarification and yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me based on what I've heard. More often than not, if someone doesn't want to be somewhere, you're better off just showing them the door. Saves a lot of time, money, and headaches, and everyone winds up happier.
 
#955      
Man.....now that we got the second weekend monkey off our back I can already see the same posters coming out saying we aren't winning in *their* preferred way. Will be absolutely unbearable.


Where did I say any of that? I never said anything about not making the second weekend ever. I also didn't say we aren't winning in my preferred way. I said that while the portal can be great we cannot lose our identity. Certain players fit that identity, and have contributed to winning(you need both of those). There are plenty of negative posters on this board and you can feel free to reply to them, but nothing I said is off the wall. If we want to have a consistent program then we need to cultivate and retain personalities/players that fit.
 
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2 of our 3 leading insiders said we passed on AJ last year because of too much family drama. 1 year later, he’s our top target. I asked the same insiders if that family drama is no longer a problem. How is that nonsense?
Pretty much already been clarified. Main issue last year is he would not have been our main guy, maybe not in the top two. His mom wanted guarantees that we weren't giving. A lot of parents are something to deal with when their boys get to this level and they think they are going to the NBA, but go ahead and keep beating that drum.
 
#958      
Just who said he wants to leave? I think he made a decision to spend a year working on his game, all of it. Spent the season guarding an all American, maybe learn a few offensive tricks from TSJ along the way? He sure seems connected with what I've seen. So where is it he says he's leaving? Or is the fact he hasn't announced he's staying freaking people out?
Buck wants to play,he will wait to see what guards are brought in and make a decision.Sure he would stay in the right situation.ceiling very low offensively though.
 
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So is offense the main reason Buck wants to transfer? Have to imagine coaches aren’t pushing him out given his value on defense.
What percentage of his two point shots were layups or dunks. Do Ty and Sencie show well enough to be on the floor at the same time.
I sure wouldn't hope so. That's two guys opponents wouldn't have to guard.
 
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That's not a slogan. Its literally developing a successful program instead of just trying to create an individual standalone team. You can have good teams going that route, but it looks more like Kentucky than I'd prefer.
Okay. Not even disagreeing with you. Just struck me funny because if you say it out loud in a Sgt. Shultz voice it sounds like a slogan.
 
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The talk of Goode leaving brings back a thought I've had about the program "message" and the current state of college basketball. I don't think there is a world where we use the slogan Every Day Guys without valuing what guys like Goode bring. Him, Ty, and even Harris seem to exemplify that. To see two of those three possibly leave is disappointing. If that's the direction then it is what it is...but quit with the slogans that sound good, but mean nothing. I am absolutely not saying "don't go out and bring the best players in". Definitely do that. But value the principles that you say you value.

Now the talk of those guys leaving is just talk at this point so I don't put too much stock in it. Goode was a key member of our season and I think Underwood showed time and time again that he had more trust in him than many others. So hopefully he continues to be someone we can build around, and I think we will see(and probably already have over these past two seasons) that the foundation you build around can be just as important as the big names you bring in. The culture must be maintained. You can have all the talent in the world, but without these type of guys you will continue to fall short.
Hopefully the staff learned from the Matthew Mayer experience. To see him chuckling about playing video games and drinking red bulls into caffeine poisoning was embarrassing. I get the everyday guy mantra. To me though Brad and staff can be like we want you but you are going to have to compete for playing time and rotational minutes. If an everyday culture guy isn't down with that they should leave. Playing time is not guaranteed based on seniority it is based on production.
 
#966      

ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Seriously NIL is the best thing that has happened to IL basketball. "Black" NIL has always been the case and frankly Illinois wasn't very good at this. This definitely created more parity for teams like IL
I want to make something clear here: that's not parity.

Parity would mean Minnesota and Penn State and Northwestern get equal resources to compete with us. They do not. We are the big dog. We take what we want and leave the scraps for everybody else.

We were always a big dog relative to most, and bad coaching staffs failed to take proper advantage. But in NIL world it goes up an even further notch.

College basketball is a game of haves and have nots now more than ever. Illinois is a have, and should act like one and have the expectations of one, and its fanbase should recognize that and be proud and unapologetic for being one.

Parity is what schools who don't have our history, fanbase and resources want. Tough luck.
 
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On Goode, I hope he wants to return, and that Brad is thrilled about that. I'd like to see him one more year. I think he does a lot of things well, things a team needs to win.
 
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everyone complaining how we're going about this wrong or how NIL is ruining things, after we've had our most successful season in almost 20 years:

says it's not our most successful season. nsjs. the criticism is founded in legitimate concerns backed by facts.
 
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Loyalillini10

Urbana, IL
Where did I say any of that? I never said anything about not making the second weekend ever. I also didn't say we aren't winning in my preferred way. I said that while the portal can be great we cannot lose our identity. Certain players fit that identity, and have contributed to winning(you need both of those). There are plenty of negative posters on this board and you can feel free to reply to them, but nothing I said is off the wall. If we want to have a consistent program then we need to cultivate and retain personalities/players that fit.
Which, overall, BU and Co. have done a good job at this so I don't know why you are bringing it up.
 
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IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
Can you enlighten the rest of us? I don't do twitter.
I don't do Twitter either. Her posts are all through this forum though, embedded into different threads. That's how I saw them.

She basically went off anytime she thought DGL didn't get the playing time he deserved. She went at it with Purdue fans who were pissed he decommitted from them to come here. She's a mama bear on steroids who wants to defend her son (totally understandable!) but does it in the worst, most public way possible (Twitter). DGL had to come out during the season and tell people that unless it comes from him, we shouldn't believe anything about him and his relationship at Illinois.

She wants good things for her son. I can't blame the woman for that. But she makes headlines when she shouldn't.
 
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call them scabs call them mercenaries. because that's what they are and don't forget how the 2023 experiment turned out (Mayer)
 
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That's intriguing with Epps. I had it on pretty good authority from an insider with another program that when Epps was shopping around he was saying he really wasn't enjoying his time here. And that was in December/January time frame. It sounded like there wasn't much of anything Brad would be able to do to retain him and it didn't sound like they had the best relationship anyways. Maybe it was a show just to try and get the most money or perhaps an exorbitant NIL bag would've swayed it, but it sounded like Epps had several issues with continuing playing here and that he had one foot out the door most of the time he was even in Champaign.
If you heard this before December 10, I wish you woulda DMd me so I wouldn’t have bought my son an Epps jersey!
 
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