Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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61.5% of Booth's shots were from 3. That is insane for a 6'10" player. Comparing to the Illini players last year:

Hawkins - 50.1%
Guerrier - 43.1%
Shannon - 46.2%
Domask - 28.9%
Goode - 87.7%

Only Goode took a greater percentage of 3s than Booth did. Because Booth just lived on the perimeter, he only took 41 FTs. So it's not much of an oversimplification. And if you are going to live on the perimeter, you better shoot a heck of a lot better than 29.7%. The guy looks to be an elite athlete, which makes me say even more, what the hell are you doing on the perimeter?

The hope would be, compare Soph Hawkins (he didn't play much as a Fr) to Fr. Booth:
Hawkins - 19 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.5 apg, 44.2% FG, 29.2% 3pt, 65.0% FT
Booth - 19.9 mpg, 6.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 39.1% FG, 29.7% 3pt, 63.4% FT

Full disclosure, I am not and never was a Coleman fan. He made a remarkable jump this past year. So if the staff can do the same thing with Booth they did to Coleman last year, ok. But that was an extraordinary improvement.
Kudos for pointing out the soph Coleman vs Freshman Booth stats, as you noted they are crazy similar. But it also seems a little unfair to use Booth's freshman stats against him if you aren't going to do that for Amani, too. And to be clear, I really like both Booth and Amani, and really hope it turns out we can get/keep them both.

(Full disclosure, I also really like Coleman, and am 100% bought in on the ideal of modern analytics-friendly shot charts that show everything either from 3 or at the rim.)
 
#454      
Great post. Yet in contrast to you (you are likely more correct than am I) I was always a Coleman fan, since his HS days. And MAN did he drive me crazy over 4 years in Champaign!

I continue to like Coleman a lot though and, like everyone else (including you, I know), wish him the very best and hope he will exceed all reasonable expectations.
 
#455      
Seems early portal buzz much better than the results last year and this year. Team obviously worked out last year but seemed more in spite of portal success.
 
#456      
We’re home.. our facilities are top notch.. we’re offering great money.. our offensive scheme is clearly NBA like.. what more do you want? If that doesn’t sound good go elsewhere?
 
#459      
Kudos for pointing out the soph Coleman vs Freshman Booth stats, as you noted they are crazy similar. But it also seems a little unfair to use Booth's freshman stats against him if you aren't going to do that for Amani, too. And to be clear, I really like both Booth and Amani, and really hope it turns out we can get/keep them both.

(Full disclosure, I also really like Coleman, and am 100% bought in on the ideal of modern analytics-friendly shot charts that show everything either from 3 or at the rim.)
As of this moment, we already have Amani. We are going out of our way to pursue Booth. My biggest problem with Booth is, if I have a 6'10" guy shooting that many 3s, at that rate, you're off my team.

So there is an unknown. I thought Coleman shot a lot of 3s, far too many. And Booth shot even more than Hawkins. So I assume, Underwood is not going to put Booth in a position to shoot even more than Coleman did. So if he gets down to 50% or less of his shots, he could be shooting 50 more shots closer to the hoop, which should help his %s substantially one would assume and improve rebounding.
 
#460      
Probably because the staff is recruiting over Amani and guaranteeing Morez ample playing time. I'm not surprised by this.

As for Storr, he can go kick rocks elsewhere. He strikes me as a bit of a diva w/an inflated ego. We don't need those guys here. I'd rather have Boswell paired with a Maddox or a Conwell
 
#461      
Well things can change within the span of 30 minutes in the NIL world we live in ... I had a coach tell me he had a kid committed this morning ... I confirmed with the kids camp ... Yup done deal ... That's where he's going ...

Kid took that offer to another school behind his camps back ... That school raised the offer 25k ... Now they're in the lead ...

Recruitment is back open ...

That's how it works today ... Crazy ...
Nothing crazy about it. It’s called the free market.

What’s crazy is that the people paying all the NIL $$$ are not the same people who are raking in the big $$$ from the product on the floor.
 
#462      
He was a freshman playing high usage. How'd Amani do at that...oh wait, he didn't. I'm not interested debating, but Brad, Mike LaTulip, and many others have thoughts different than your's. I'll trust them, but thanks and have a great night!
I agree with DICKnaggie (great name!@): Amani was the exact opposite of a high-usage player. Let's try to get on the same page here.
 
#464      
What’s crazy is that the people paying all the NIL $$$ are not the same people who are raking in the big $$$ from the product on the floor.wWn
The people raking in the money are .. members of the coaching staff, I guess? Or am I as usual lost on this front?
 
#465      
You guys got to relax. Some of you are making it seem like we are losing players left and right….not the case. Ok we may lose Maddox but there are similar players in the portal. Yes Storr is really good but would rather have someone that wants to be part of a winning culture. Seems like he just wants a bag of money and that’s it. If we get him great, but there are other options.
Two weeks ago Storr was an EDG guy and your comment was heresy.
 
#466      
I have never watched Booth play, but I haven’t seen anything from Amani that leads me to believe he’s going to be a great one. Is Booth terrible? Serious question.
Amani is a stretch 5 with a motor and an ability to knock down 3's. You've seen a limited sample size so your views are of course going to be clouded into thinking he's nothing great. Losing Amani would be a blow but not unexpected if the staff is trying to recruit over him
 
#467      
As of this moment, we already have Amani. We are going out of our way to pursue Booth. My biggest problem with Booth is, if I have a 6'10" guy shooting that many 3s, at that rate, you're off my team.

So there is an unknown. I thought Coleman shot a lot of 3s, far too many. And Booth shot even more than Hawkins. So I assume, Underwood is not going to put Booth in a position to shoot even more than Coleman did. So if he gets down to 50% or less of his shots, he could be shooting 50 more shots closer to the hoop, which should help his %s substantially one would assume and improve rebounding.
Coleman was hitting over 40% of the set 3s that he took. He was forcing the opposing big out of the lane, opening it up for TSJ, Domask, and Ty. They were critical to our offense. If Coleman had cut out the stupid heater check he seemed to take each game, his 3pt percentage would have been outstanding (vs. merely very good).
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
Amani is a stretch 5 with a motor and an ability to knock down 3's. You've seen a limited sample size so your views are of course going to be clouded into thinking he's nothing great. Losing Amani would be a blow but not unexpected if the staff is trying to recruit over him
I loved how Amani rebounded. And the shot looked good, in a limited sample size.
 
#470      
I agree with DICKnaggie (great name!@): Amani was the exact opposite of a high-usage player. Let's try to get on the same page here.
Amani was on a very good team that made the elite 8... Booth was on a dog poop team that was awful. There's a reason Amani didn't play and it wasn't talent.. Amani would've started or got significant minutes on many teams
 
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DICKnaggie

Champaign
I agree with DICKnaggie (great name!@): Amani was the exact opposite of a high-usage player. Let's try to get on the same page here.
I'm ashamed that I grew up in that era and even attended the Illini basketball camp in the 80's with coach Nagy and still spelled his name wrong! I can't seem to change it on the site.
 
#473      
My goodness. As a healthcare provider, I feel obligated to tell many of you to go outside and take 5 deep breaths. If you’re able, walk around the block and think of how we just won the Big Ten Tournament and went to the Elite 8. Then, brew a good tea or pour your favorite drink and write down five Illini you’re thankful for (including our insiders). All is well!
 
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DeonThomas

South Carolina
61.5% of Booth's shots were from 3. That is insane for a 6'10" player. Comparing to the Illini players last year:

Hawkins - 50.1%
Guerrier - 43.1%
Shannon - 46.2%
Domask - 28.9%
Goode - 87.7%

Only Goode took a greater percentage of 3s than Booth did. Because Booth just lived on the perimeter, he only took 41 FTs. So it's not much of an oversimplification. And if you are going to live on the perimeter, you better shoot a heck of a lot better than 29.7%. The guy looks to be an elite athlete, which makes me say even more, what the hell are you doing on the perimeter?

The hope would be, compare Soph Hawkins (he didn't play much as a Fr) to Fr. Booth:
Hawkins - 19 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.5 apg, 44.2% FG, 29.2% 3pt, 65.0% FT
Booth - 19.9 mpg, 6.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.5 apg, 39.1% FG, 29.7% 3pt, 63.4% FT

Full disclosure, I am not and never was a Coleman fan. He made a remarkable jump this past year. So if the staff can do the same thing with Booth they did to Coleman last year, ok. But that was an extraordinary improvement.
Those percentages from 3-pt range really surprise me. Domask is the one that seems about right.

All the others are (to me) surprisingly and disproportionately high. Goode is a "hired gun" but 88% still seems too high.

BUT: We're an Elite 8 team, however, so I guess I'm wrong.
 
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