Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Who knows if this will be a yearly staple for our recruiting, but given where the game is going (someone else mentioned the last 6 NBA MVP awards going to international players) then perhaps it should be?
There is an ocean of talent in Europe. There can be no reasonable argument on that point.

The question is whether you can get the players over here at scale, translate them to the American game successfully, and keep them in school long enough for the juice to be worth the squeeze versus competing with everyone else for American players. Which makes the better use of our resources?

And then the next step of the analysis will be, if it works, do we have any "moat" that retains that advantage when more teams try to do the same thing?
 
#53      
I’m using self control to not be capturing receipts on all the people freaking out on here. I can’t wait until the season starts and we are at the top of the Big Ten throughout the year though.

I’m a natural pessimist but this staff has proved to me that I should trust them two years ago, with all the crap that went wrong with that team, we made the tourney. Last year, with everyone freaking out that we didn’t have a point guard, we went to the elite 8.

I’m not saying this roster is perfect, but we’ve added a lot of talented pieces and I’m willing to let it play out. In my mind roster construction matters more than just adding talent in the portal era and don’t see us finishing outside the top 5 in the Big Ten.

I agree that this staff has earned a little bit of a leash.. but it's also fair to at the very least be a little pessimistic on our pursuit of a top line scorer so far this off-season.

I think people are severely under valuing how fortunate we were to have TSJ and Domask last year. We knew what we had in TSJ and we got more then we planned for in Domask. But having two guys like that who can just go get a bucket on their own gets you through a lot of slumps and covers up some major flaws.

Last years team beats next year's team by 30 at this point. I'm not saying last years team is the bar because being a top 8(arguably top 3) is an unrealistic expectation year in and year out but we need to close the gap and I have faith the staff will
 
#54      

CoalCity

St Paul, MN
Like Demin, Kasparas is best thought of in those terms, a pretty elite freshman, but a freshman.

To me the real story here is that it seems like Orlando Antigua's mission and plan here is to make Illinois a destination for direct-from-Europe talent where NIL has changed everything in terms of those guys wanting to play college basketball.

That is a plan fraught with risk, but with massive potential reward. Super interesting.
What's Geoff gonna do if OA is taking over Europe?
 
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Can we enroll the 12 year old? How are his grades?
Meh. The last middle school commit we had didn't work out so well.

Jereme Richmond received notoriety for a verbal commitment to then Illini coach Bruce Weber before his first high school game.
 
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I agree that this staff has earned a little bit of a leash.. but it's also fair to at the very least be a little pessimistic on our pursuit of a top line scorer so far this off-season.

I think people are severely under valuing how fortunate we were to have TSJ and Domask last year. We knew what we had in TSJ and we got more then we planned for in Domask. But having two guys like that who can just go get a bucket on their own gets you through a lot of slumps and covers up some major flaws.

Last years team beats next year's team by 30 at this point. I'm not saying last years team is the bar because being a top 8(arguably top 3) is an unrealistic expectation year in and year out but we need to close the gap and I have faith the staff will
I agree that is is fair to be a little pessimistic about not bringing in one of the top proven scorers.

But... You completely blow your point by then raving about Domask's scoring. People weren't super excited about Domask in the portal last year, and certainly didn't expect him to become what he was. A lot of that was coaching him up and making him a better player. All of Boswell, White, and Humrichous could have similar leaps in performance with the right coaches and Fletch making them better. We won't know until we get into the season.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
People weren't super excited about Domask in the portal last year
I don't even want to continue litigating the truth or falsehood of this claim, as much as I just want to reject it as an analytical get-out-of-jail-free card that's stopping people from squarely addressing the question of "hey, what does this new roster look like, exactly?"

BUT MARCUS DOMASK counts for nothing as soon as a ball is tipped in November.
 
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Are growth plates still open???
tall man basketball GIF

He needs to eat a cheeseburger or 12, perhaps with a side of cottage cheese.
 
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Fan Since '70

OBS, Florida
Arkansas is bidding for Demin too, so he may get his $2M and Illini won't get him. Demin can play his way to a lottery pick, as he has skills and size NBA loves.
Illinois would be fortunate to get Kasparas for a lot less money, he could be the best player on the team and play his way to a 1st round pick in 1-2 seasons.
 
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For public schools in certain states this effectively makes players employees of the state, right? With all the rights granted by that state for its employees, including pension rules, etc.?
Perhaps they could be paid as independent contractors (via a 1099 vs. W-2). This would alleviate your concerns, I believe...
 
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Fan Since '70

OBS, Florida
I agree that this staff has earned a little bit of a leash.. but it's also fair to at the very least be a little pessimistic on our pursuit of a top line scorer so far this off-season.

I think people are severely under valuing how fortunate we were to have TSJ and Domask last year. We knew what we had in TSJ and we got more then we planned for in Domask. But having two guys like that who can just go get a bucket on their own gets you through a lot of slumps and covers up some major flaws.

Last years team beats next year's team by 30 at this point. I'm not saying last years team is the bar because being a top 8(arguably top 3) is an unrealistic expectation year in and year out but we need to close the gap and I have faith the staff will
Last year's team was imperfect, lacking a true center and PG. This coming season team is not final yet, so still early to speculate, but it does have the true center and PG Illini can use to play better against teams where that matters for matchups. In Kasparas, if Illini are able to lock him down, Illini have another playmaker, scorer and someone that can handle ball better than Domask. Boswell true worth will be apparent all season long. White, Davis and Humichous can really score it. Booth is Hawkins like but with more hops, Johnson and Ivisic give Illini dynamic player types they did not have this past season. I believe this next season team will be deeper and more balanced as Illini will have more scoring weapons and playmakers than last season. Anxious to see final roster and how coaches mold them into a cohesive team and defensive juggernaut. Judging by last season, I believe they will similarly find success with the skilled but EDG talent they will have..
 
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I agree that is is fair to be a little pessimistic about not bringing in one of the top proven scorers.

But... You completely blow your point by then raving about Domask's scoring. People weren't super excited about Domask in the portal last year, and certainly didn't expect him to become what he was. A lot of that was coaching him up and making him a better player. All of Boswell, White, and Humrichous could have similar leaps in performance with the right coaches and Fletch making them better. We won't know until we get into the season.

I don't think I blow my point at all.. you would have a very short coaching career if you based all of your roster construction on EXPECTING that kind of jump for your players instead of building a nice mix of proven assets and upside guys
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
What's Geoff gonna do if OA is taking over Europe?
Having Geoff's connections too is great, only makes the strategy make that much more sense.

I only ascribe it to OA because it seems like the strategy clearly shifted in that direction once he got hired, and the only bird we've currently got in hand is the twin brother of a guy OA was coaching last year.
 
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I agree that this staff has earned a little bit of a leash.. but it's also fair to at the very least be a little pessimistic on our pursuit of a top line scorer so far this off-season.

I think people are severely under valuing how fortunate we were to have TSJ and Domask last year. We knew what we had in TSJ and we got more then we planned for in Domask. But having two guys like that who can just go get a bucket on their own gets you through a lot of slumps and covers up some major flaws.

Last years team beats next year's team by 30 at this point. I'm not saying last years team is the bar because being a top 8(arguably top 3) is an unrealistic expectation year in and year out but we need to close the gap and I have faith the staff will
-TLDR: my main point is just the next 2 paragraphs: Humrizzle has a chance of approximating Domask's scoring production, but we'll see.

So, just in terms of production compared to last year, in my mind it's possible that TSJ is the only HUGE outlier in terms of what we need to replace. (gee who would think it'd be tough to replace an all-american?)

For Domask, the main question was would his game and production translate to the high-major level - and of course it sure did, although his scoring did actually slip a TINY bit from the year before. Still, absolute stud, obviously, but it seems that Humrizzle is in a similar situation. It's of course a big question mark as to how that will actually go, but I'd say the positives in his favor are: 1) he's bigger than Domask, which would seem to count for something, and 2) his game more heavily revolves around shooting, which should in theory translate well even moving up in competition. The big question mark though is that he only has 1 year of even division 1 experience, whereas Domask was a 4-year starter. So, can Humrangus keep his scoring at around 14-15 points a game? We'll see, but if he can, then at least he would mostly replace Domask's 15-16 pts per game production.


---- other notes:

In comparing the rest of the lineup, the next big question mark seems to be: can Ivisic score maybe 10-12 points per game and thus mostly replace Coleman's production? Again, we'll see, but it doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility. He has more of a post game than Coleman and is a good free throw shooter, so maybe he can put more fouls on guys and get some extra production that way.

For Guerrier, you have Boswell's production, and both are right around 10 points, so that seems to be a wash. It's also not unreasonable to think Boswell takes a jump, perhaps even significantly, so you could reasonably come out ahead there next year, and maybe that helps cover for Ivisic if he doesn't average 10pts or more.

Even for Ty (if he still ends up starting), it seems reasonable that you have at worst a wash, and possibly even a decent jump since Ivisic will mean Ty won't be guarded by 5s very much anymore.

And that leaves TSJ... Which, yeah. We'll see who else we add, and of course there is Tre White, who might be pretty good. We'll see. But I think the most likely scenario will have to be that the team doesn't have a guy that scores around 20 per game next year, but instead that missing production hopefully gets spread throughout multiple guys. I think it's possible that works just fine, but I get that it's a big question mark. But it's also just not going to be normal to always "know what you have" when it comes to expecting all-american level scoring every year from someone.
 
#72      

Fan Since '70

OBS, Florida
Leading scorer was a 12-year-old.
Meh, I would take those ages (12 and 15 year old) with some measure of doubt. Often records of birth are spotty and have been known to be fudged. One U.S. coach recruited what he thought was a 18 year old player but then turned out to be 27. But when you are tall, agile and athletic, age is somewhat irrelative. LOL
 
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But... You completely blow your point by then raving about Domask's scoring. People weren't super excited about Domask in the portal last year, and certainly didn't expect him to become what he was. A lot of that was coaching him up and making him a better player.
To be fair, Domask actually scored LESS points per game last year than he did the year before at SIU. I think the question on Domask was more, would his game translate moving up a level? (and it obviously did)

I think the bigger jump Domask took last year was his ability to be an effective point guard and act as the primary ball handler and offense initiator. THAT I think is fair to say was a big jump for him, and it was cool to watch his progress in real time last year. He had some shaky outings/possessions at times earlier, but by the time we played Iowa State, he was a fantastically reliable point guard, even against quicker guards that would try to get up in his space and disrupt him.
 
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