Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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SoILIllini

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More3s said:
-TLDR: my main point is just the next 2 paragraphs: Humrizzle has a chance of approximating Domask's scoring production, but we'll see.

So, just in terms of production compared to last year, in my mind it's possible that TSJ is the only HUGE outlier in terms of what we need to replace. (gee who would think it'd be tough to replace an all-american?)

For Domask, the main question was would his game and production translate to the high-major level - and of course it sure did, although his scoring did actually slip a TINY bit from the year before. Still, absolute stud, obviously, but it seems that Humrizzle is in a similar situation. It's of course a big question mark as to how that will actually go, but I'd say the positives in his favor are: 1) he's bigger than Domask, which would seem to count for something, and 2) his game more heavily revolves around shooting, which should in theory translate well even moving up in competition. The big question mark though is that he only has 1 year of even division 1 experience, whereas Domask was a 4-year starter. So, can Humrangus keep his scoring at around 14-15 points a game? We'll see, but if he can, then at least he would mostly replace Domask's 15-16 pts per game production.


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In comparing the rest of the lineup, the next big question mark seems to be: can Ivisic score maybe 10-12 points per game and thus mostly replace Coleman's production? Again, we'll see, but it doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility. He has more of a post game than Coleman and is a good free throw shooter, so maybe he can put more fouls on guys and get some extra production that way.

For Guerrier, you have Boswell's production, and both are right around 10 points, so that seems to be a wash. It's also not unreasonable to think Boswell takes a jump, perhaps even significantly, so you could reasonably come out ahead there next year, and maybe that helps cover for Ivisic if he doesn't average 10pts or more.

Even for Ty (if he still ends up starting), it seems reasonable that you have at worst a wash, and possibly even a decent jump since Ivisic will mean Ty won't be guarded by 5s very much anymore.

And that leaves TSJ... Which, yeah. We'll see who else we add, and of course there is Tre White, who might be pretty good. We'll see. But I think the most likely scenario will have to be that the team doesn't have a guy that scores around 20 per game next year, but instead that missing production hopefully gets spread throughout multiple guys. I think it's possible that works just fine, but I get that it's a big question mark. But it's also just not going to be normal to always "know what you have" when it comes to expecting all-american level scoring every year from someone.
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This is well thought out and I agree with a lot of what you cover here..

My contention would be that everyone is expecting Ben to replace Domask when I would argue the way Domask translated to moving up a level in comp is the exception rather than the rule.. I think he's got the possibility and I hope he does.. but we'll see.

And again I just think people are undervaluing TSJ and Domask importance last year. There are hundreds of guys in college, maybe thousands that can score 10-12 game. And we have a roster full of those guys right now. We don't have anyone that has proven they can be "the guy" and those guys are the difference between a 29 win E8 team and a 20 win 8-10 seed. Some of our guys could develop, or we could add that guy yet, I just contend it isn't a certain thing that we have it or will have it at this point
 
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MustangWally

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BionicHippo10 said:
Can we enroll the 12 year old? How are his grades?
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Wrong Chris

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I'm guessing too many other benefits provided by schools to qualify as independent contractors, but not my sector of the IRS
 
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More3s

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SoILIllini said:
This is well thought out and I agree with a lot of what you cover here..

My contention would be that everyone is expecting Ben to replace Domask when I would argue the way Domask translated to moving up a level in comp is the exception rather than the rule.. I think he's got the possibility and I hope he does.. but we'll see.

And again I just think people are undervaluing TSJ and Domask importance last year. There are hundreds of guys in college, maybe thousands that can score 10-12 game. And we have a roster full of those guys right now. We don't have anyone that has proven they can be "the guy" and those guys are the difference between a 29 win E8 team and a 20 win 8-10 seed. Some of our guys could develop, or we could add that guy yet, I just contend it isn't a certain thing that we have it or will have it at this point
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Yeah, fair enough, and I agree that it usually helps a lot to have a superstar lead your team, but at the same time there are of course exceptions now and then. (UCONN's leading scorer last year was Newton with 15.1 ppg. It's certainly possible that someone averages that next year for Illinois - although I'm not AT ALL saying we'll be on that level. But I think it's possible that we can be better than an 8-10 seed even if we're lead by a 15ppg scorer.)

And I'll just reiterate that the reasons to be optimistic about Humrizzle are his size and reliance on shooting, which I think has a better chance of translating. But still, you're of course right that we have to wait and see, and that even "expecting" the same production from him is probably too greedy. I'm hoping for it, though... :p
 
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IlliDan

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Think one aspect of moving up from mid-major to the beloved is being neglected.Better trainers,strength coaches,practice facilities,coaching all play into this,but playing and practicing vs. better talent may lead to plus performance,improvement as well.
 
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Fan Since '70

Fan Since '70
OBS, Florida
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SoILIllini said:
This is well thought out and I agree with a lot of what you cover here..

My contention would be that everyone is expecting Ben to replace Domask when I would argue the way Domask translated to moving up a level in comp is the exception rather than the rule.. I think he's got the possibility and I hope he does.. but we'll see.

And again I just think people are undervaluing TSJ and Domask importance last year. There are hundreds of guys in college, maybe thousands that can score 10-12 game. And we have a roster full of those guys right now. We don't have anyone that has proven they can be "the guy" and those guys are the difference between a 29 win E8 team and a 20 win 8-10 seed. Some of our guys could develop, or we could add that guy yet, I just contend it isn't a certain thing that we have it or will have it at this point
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UConn 2023-2024 Statistics
Tristan Newton 15.1 PPG
Cam Spencer 14.3 PPG
Alex Karaban 13.3 PPG
Donovan Klingan 13.0 PPG
Stephon Castle 11.1 PPG
I believe your team can be stronger and more successful if you have offensive balance rather than scoring concentrated in just a few guys or having featured go to 'the guy'. 2024-2024 Illini will have more balanced scoring and more dynamic scoring weapons than past season. Makes it harder for other teams to defend against us and opens up the floor more, so everyone to contribute their strong suite.
 
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OB positive

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SoILIllini said:
This is well thought out and I agree with a lot of what you cover here..

My contention would be that everyone is expecting Ben to replace Domask when I would argue the way Domask translated to moving up a level in comp is the exception rather than the rule.. I think he's got the possibility and I hope he does.. but we'll see.

And again I just think people are undervaluing TSJ and Domask importance last year. There are hundreds of guys in college, maybe thousands that can score 10-12 game. And we have a roster full of those guys right now. We don't have anyone that has proven they can be "the guy" and those guys are the difference between a 29 win E8 team and a 20 win 8-10 seed. Some of our guys could develop, or we could add that guy yet, I just contend it isn't a certain thing that we have it or will have it at this point
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Yes we were very fortunate to have what turned out to be 2 the guys in TSJ and Domask. Either one them was able to carry us if needed.
 
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SoILIllini said:
And again I just think people are undervaluing TSJ and Domask importance last year. There are hundreds of guys in college, maybe thousands that can score 10-12 game. And we have a roster full of those guys right now. We don't have anyone that has proven they can be "the guy" and those guys are the difference between a 29 win E8 team and a 20 win 8-10 seed. Some of our guys could develop, or we could add that guy yet, I just contend it isn't a certain thing that we have it or will have it at this point
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You mean like this team?
 

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#89      

Govoner Vaugn Fan

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Fan Since '70 said:
Meh, I would take those ages (12 and 15 year old) with some measure of doubt. Often records of birth are spotty and have been known to be fudged. One U.S. coach recruited what he thought was a 18 year old player but then turned out to be 27. But when you are tall, agile and athletic, age is somewhat irrelative. LOL
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Maybe they list age in Metric years? /s
 
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Luwdoo

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Fan Since '70 said:
UConn 2023-2024 Statistics
Tristan Newton 15.1 PPG
Cam Spencer 14.3 PPG
Alex Karaban 13.3 PPG
Donovan Klingan 13.0 PPG
Stephon Castle 11.1 PPG
I believe your team can be stronger and more successful if you have offensive balance rather than scoring concentrated in just a few guys or having featured go to 'the guy'. 2024-2024 Illini will have more balanced scoring and more dynamic scoring weapons than past season. Makes it harder for other teams to defend against us and opens up the floor more, so everyone to contribute their strong suit.
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Those are all go to guys. They just happened to be on the same team.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

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except they wouldn’t meet the requirements to be classified that way, so that’s out
 
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Birdus

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I think when everything shakes out, we will be a top level team in the BIG this year and next year could be very interesting. Gonna be fun.
 
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Fan Since '70

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Luwdoo said:
Those are all go to guys. They just happened to be on the same team.
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This next season's team will have more weapons and be more balanced more like 88-89 and 04-05 Illini teams. Ceiling is higher than past season's team, IMO.
 
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Illinicpa14

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Luwdoo said:
Those are all go to guys. They just happened to be on the same team.
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The comparison I keep going back to of how it can work without a star or 4 draft picks playing together (not saying we play the same style at all) was that Iowa State team, who probably should have been a 1 seed, and not a 2 with UCONN and the big ten champ.

Played terrific team ball, had a bunch of guys who could have “their night” but you didn’t know who it was going to be. And none of those guys were particular 5-star recruits. They all fit very well together.
 
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hoopsfan47

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Fan Since '70 said:
Anxious to see final roster and how coaches mold them into a cohesive team and defensive juggernaut. Judging by last season, I believe they will similarly find success with the skilled but EDG talent they will have..
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This is always the challenge for any coach and staff....but this season will see more new players than any other. For that reason, what they become as a team... their cultural identity, belief, and trust in each other... will tell the tale. Intriguing ride coming up not soon enough.
 
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PizzaHutParkingLot

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Fan Since '70 said:
UConn 2023-2024 Statistics
Tristan Newton 15.1 PPG
Cam Spencer 14.3 PPG
Alex Karaban 13.3 PPG
Donovan Klingan 13.0 PPG
Stephon Castle 11.1 PPG
I believe your team can be stronger and more successful if you have offensive balance rather than scoring concentrated in just a few guys or having featured go to 'the guy'. 2024-2024 Illini will have more balanced scoring and more dynamic scoring weapons than past season. Makes it harder for other teams to defend against us and opens up the floor more, so everyone to contribute their strong suite.
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They never encountered this [in March] because of their overwhelming talent, but I wonder where Hurley would've gone had they needed a bucket in crunch time.

Bringing it back to the Illini, who do ya'll think gets the ball the most during those situations?
 
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Fan Since '70

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PizzaHutParkingLot said:
They never encountered this because of their overwhelming talent, but I wonder where Hurley would've gone had they needed a bucket in crunch time.

Bringing it back to the Illini, who do ya'll think gets the ball the most during those situations?
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It's nice to have multiple good options. Just draw up a play to find open guy, best scoring option among the whole team. Good to have playmakers like Boswell and (hopefully Kasparas) to find open teammate, dump it low to Ivisic or take shot themselves. I like having options and not putting all your eggs in one basket.
 
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