Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I mean...the conference will have 18 teams. So you're saying it's more likely we finish 10-18 rather than 1-9...?

I have my concerns about the roster as well but that's...

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On the sleepers prediction…I don’t think it’s crazy to predict we miss the tournament. I do think it’s crazy to say we have a bottom tier roster talent wise because on paper this might be the most talent Brad has ever had. I know others have done this but just to recap-
Boswell - former top 30ish player.
DGL - former top 100 player and at one point a five star
Ty- former top 50ish player
Tre White - former top 30ish player
Booth - former top 60ish player
Morez- Top 30 player
Then throw in Humrichous and Ivisic who may not be stars but will likely out play their rankings, plus a mystery wing that will likely cost $1M plus in NIL.

I’d say we have plenty of talent. Whether it comes together a la KState 2 years ago or it doesn’t a la Arkansas this year is TBD, but we have plenty of talent. And the pieces seem to fit a heck of a lot better than Indiana.
Boswell was a five star
 
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Boswell was a five star
On the sleepers prediction…I don’t think it’s crazy to predict we miss the tournament. I do think it’s crazy to say we have a bottom tier roster talent wise because on paper this might be the most talent Brad has ever had. I know others have done this but just to recap-
Boswell - former top 30ish player.
DGL - former top 100 player and at one point a five star
Ty- former top 50ish player
Tre White - former top 30ish player
Booth - former top 60ish player
Morez- Top 30 player
Then throw in Humrichous and Ivisic who may not be stars but will likely out play their rankings, plus a mystery wing that will likely cost $1M plus in NIL.

I’d say we have plenty of talent. Whether it comes together a la KState 2 years ago or it doesn’t a la Arkansas this year is TBD, but we have plenty of talent. And the pieces seem to fit a heck of a lot better than Indiana.

Was around the top 15 range before he re-classed.

Ended up at 25 as 5*in the 247 (not composite).
 
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Loyalillini10

Urbana, IL
Where are you getting this from? Pay sites? A jump-to-conclusions-mat? I don’t think anyone has said anything one way or the other.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
I want to make sure that I qualify this by saying our roster isn't finished, so it's a bit early to make any prognostications, BUT unless we land a big difference maker/elite scorer and the last two rides don't just go to "nice pieces"....while we're not as bad as that article states, it's a lot more likely that we'll finish in the bottom half of the conference vs the top half.

We just don't have any proven difference makers on the roster that have won on a really good team. You can make the argument for Boswell, but even he was third banana on Arizona last year.

You'd really have to have the O & B goggles on to come up with the argument that this isn't a rebuild.
There's not a single player on our roster who is absolutely certain to be a solid contributor toward winning basketball.

There are a couple who have good potential to be even more than that, but they have downside of a guy who doesn't contribute for various reasons.

That's just very different than any BU team since 2019-20. It's hard to define exactly who we're going to rely on, because we're not certain about relying on anybody.

My issue here is that, to me, we haven't had great direction with what we're trying to do. We're caught in the middle. There has been WAY too much commentary that the elite guys have been "too expensive" for us. That's fine if you've developed really good, reliable players and are supplementing them with the portal.

When you need to replace 8 with a budget that won't allow it to include any true headliners .... it's a tough spot.
We don't know what next year's roster is going to look like when all is said and done, nor how it's going to play.

We do know that we're not quite as much of an NIL alpha as we thought we were on April 1. Gaining accurate knowledge is a good thing so long as you learn from it and operate accordingly going forward.
 
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Fan Since '70

OBS, Florida
There's not a single player on our roster who is absolutely certain to be a solid contributor toward winning basketball.

There are a couple who have good potential to be even more than that, but they have downside of a guy who doesn't contribute for various reasons.

That's just very different than any BU team since 2019-20. It's hard to define exactly who we're going to rely on, because we're not certain about relying on anybody.


We don't know what next year's roster is going to look like when all is said and done, nor how it's going to play.

We do know that we're not quite as much of an NIL alpha as we thought we were on April 1. Gaining accurate knowledge is a good thing so long as you learn from it and operate accordingly going forward.
The NIL part is disappointing how many players Illini had to back off from (regardless the logic). If Illini have a good season and it's promising players do well, will it be able to pay them the season after and keep all important ones to have an even better '25-26 season? (Or lose ground gained this year in next year's portal).
 
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Guys who create for others are valuable. I like players who are efficient and don’t force shots. He will find creases and find other people baskets.
It looks to me like all 3 European guards are lights-out shooters from distance. Just give me one. If it's Egor, so much the better. He seems most ready.
 
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High school rankings are interesting, but no one at this point should put more stock in those than in actual results.

And you certainly can't have it both ways. Tre White is going to explode, just like his high school ranking suggested and Hummer is going to be great despite his low HS ranking.
Wasn’t saying that Tre White will explode. Just that we don’t have the 16th most talented roster in the BIG or whatever the sleepers guys said. Prior to next year you can count on one hand the number of top 30 hs recruits Brad has had on the roster. This years team has multiple.

And didn’t say Humrichous is going to be great. My only point is that the “less talented” guys by ranking will likely still contribute. I am pretty high on Humrichous and think he could have Domask like impact. But even if he only gets 7 ppg on 35% from 3, that’s still a top 100 like contribution.

Edit: and of course HS rankings aren’t the end all be all. Too many examples to list. But there is of course a correlation between HS ranking and being a difference maker at the P5 level. So the more highly rated kids you have the higher the likelihood you land a difference maker. Again, my only point is we do not have a bottom tier BIG roster talent wise.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
There's not a single player on our roster who is absolutely certain to be a solid contributor toward winning basketball.

There are a couple who have good potential to be even more than that, but they have downside of a guy who doesn't contribute for various reasons.
Boswell is certain to be a solid contributor toward winning basketball. Why? Because he already did it last year. And he doesn't have the downside of a guy who doesn't contribute because, again, he's already done it. If he makes zero progress, he's still a 10 and 4 guy for a top 10 program and I would bet a whole ton of money that the 18-year-old moving closer to his family and that stability is only going to get better with another year under his belt.

I also don't see a way Tomi doesn't contribute. He's a professional. He's got the size and will force a whole heck of a lot of mismatches with his shooting ability. Granted, he hasn't done it in college, but, frankly, it's more impressive that he's already done it against grown-a$$ men.
 
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I agree that is is fair to be a little pessimistic about not bringing in one of the top proven scorers.

But... You completely blow your point by then raving about Domask's scoring. People weren't super excited about Domask in the portal last year, and certainly didn't expect him to become what he was. A lot of that was coaching him up and making him a better player. All of Boswell, White, and Humrichous could have similar leaps in performance with the right coaches and Fletch making them better. We won't know until we get into the season.
A lot of people were very excited about Domask. He would have been flirting with scoring 2,000 points at SIU if he wasn't injured as a sophomore.
 
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UConn 2023-2024 Statistics
Tristan Newton 15.1 PPG
Cam Spencer 14.3 PPG
Alex Karaban 13.3 PPG
Donovan Klingan 13.0 PPG
Stephon Castle 11.1 PPG
I believe your team can be stronger and more successful if you have offensive balance rather than scoring concentrated in just a few guys or having featured go to 'the guy'. 2024-2024 Illini will have more balanced scoring and more dynamic scoring weapons than past season. Makes it harder for other teams to defend against us and opens up the floor more, so everyone to contribute their strong suite.
I would counter this by saying Brad doesn't run nearly as many sets as Hurley(though he's proven the ability to adapt).

Also, offensive balance wasn't really what made UConn special though all those guys could play. Clingan completely erasing opposing teams inside is what made UConn special.
 
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ChiefGritty

Chicago, IL
Boswell is certain to be a solid contributor toward winning basketball. Why? Because he already did it last year. And he doesn't have the downside of a guy who doesn't contribute because, again, he's already done it. If he makes zero progress, he's still a 10 and 4 guy for a top 10 program and I would bet a whole ton of money that the 18-year-old moving closer to his family and that stability is only going to get better with another year under his belt.
I think some of the stuff Arizona fans said about him down the stretch was the totally overblown exaggeration of a fanbase that wanted another good player to take more of his playing time (we know how that goes), but there are Arizona fans who would disagree with you.

I also don't see a way Tomi doesn't contribute. He's a professional player. He's got a big body and will force a whole heck of a lot of mismatches with his shooting ability. Granted, he hasn't done it in college, but, frankly, it's more impressive that he's already done it against grown-a$$ men.
Eligibility, academics and translation issues both basketball and cultural make a guy like that inherently high risk. You're right though that from a level of development perspective, it's basically a joke that he's going to be a freshman.

You can't carve these guys in stone into a role the way you could with, yes, Marcus Domask.

If I had to bet my life on a guy playing 25 minutes a game for us next year assuming health it would be Ty Rodgers, but everybody is denigrating his role because we are familiar with him and know his flaws. "Optimism" is pretending guys we haven't watched in O&B will never disappoint us.
 
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I also don't see a way Tomi doesn't contribute. He's a professional. He's got the size and will force a whole heck of a lot of mismatches with his shooting ability. Granted, he hasn't done it in college, but, frankly, it's more impressive that he's already done it against grown-a$$ men.
Can someone explain why we think he'll be so much better than his brother? Not trying to be a jerk, just truly curious why his floor is so much higher.
 
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Fan Since '70

OBS, Florida
I would counter this by saying Brad doesn't run nearly as many sets as Hurley(though he's proven the ability to adapt).

Also, offensive balance wasn't really what made UConn special though all those guys could play. Clingan completely erasing opposing teams inside is what made UConn special.
Hurley could run plays for the whole team because you had to respect each one as a scorer. Brad can and will adjust to having multiple scoring weapons. Having great playmakers like Boswell and Kasparas on the floor will help stir the drink as well. The other players on the court have also shown they can pass. Opponents will have to respect all 5 players Brad puts out there.
 
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The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
I think some of the stuff Arizona fans said about him down the stretch was the totally overblown exaggeration of a fanbase that wanted another good player to take more of his playing time (we know how that goes), but there are Arizona fans who would disagree with you.


Eligibility, academics and translation issues both basketball and cultural make a guy like that inherently high risk. You're right though that from a level of development perspective, it's basically a joke that he's going to be a freshman.

You can't carve these guys in stone into a role the way you could with, yes, Marcus Domask.

If I had to bet my life on a guy playing 25 minutes a game for us next year assuming health it would be Ty Rodgers, but everybody is denigrating his role because we are familiar with him and know his flaws. "Optimism" is pretending guys we haven't watched in O&B will never disappoint us.
I mean, Arizona fans might have wanted more, but that's not the discussion. You set the bar at contribute and he, inarguably has done that. He started 35 out of 36 games and averaged 27 minutes. He's totally and completely a known quantity at this level. It's verging on absurd to argue otherwise.

And yeah, Ty will likely find a way to be on the floor at least 25 a game this season, but he's also never done it before, unlike Kylan.
 
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Hurley could run plays for the whole team because you had to respect each one as a scorer. Brad can and will adjust to having multiple scoring weapons. Having great playmakers like Boswell and Kasparas on the floor will help stir the drink as well. The other players on the court have also shown they can pass. Opponents will have to respect all 5 players Brad puts out there.
You saw that in games when TSJ was first out. The ball movement was superb.
 
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