Like TJ’s 25.7% from 3 his freshman year?
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An inch and a half shorter than Coleman Hawkins.
So much of getting a commitment from either KJ or Igor depends upon their character. The question is are they looking to play on a talented team of EDGs who play for team success and be of that ilk themselves, the kind of player the NBA seeks for a staff that can make them reach their potential but at compromise in NIL....or....are they only interested in playing for the high bidder? IMHO, BU does not want the latter. I don't believe either will get 2 million from the Illini,,,but I know nothing for certain in that regard. We will soon know.
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Was Shannon the alpha as a Fr? Is Tre White a Fr? As a Soph Shannon shot 35.7%.
What exactly is your point?
What exactly is your point?
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Player 2023-24 Statistics
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Player __________Points___Rebounds___Minutes
Kaspar Jakucionis..19.3...........6.5....................26.5
Ben Humrichous...14.7...........4.7....................29.6
Tre White.................12.3...........5.9....................31.2
Kylan Boswell............9.6...........2.3....................27.0
Tomislav Ivicic..........9.2...........5.4....................19.3
Jake Davis..................9.0...........4.5....................28.6
Carey Booth..............6.4...........4.3....................19.9
Ty Rodgers.................6.2...........5.3....................22.8
Gibbs-Lawhorn.........2.4...........0.9....................7.1
Morez Johnson..*..17.2...........14.1....................n/a
* denotes high school stats
Jason Stakstys (redshirt)
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Player __________Points___Rebounds___Minutes
Kaspar Jakucionis..19.3...........6.5....................26.5
Ben Humrichous...14.7...........4.7....................29.6
Tre White.................12.3...........5.9....................31.2
Kylan Boswell............9.6...........2.3....................27.0
Tomislav Ivicic..........9.2...........5.4....................19.3
Jake Davis..................9.0...........4.5....................28.6
Carey Booth..............6.4...........4.3....................19.9
Ty Rodgers.................6.2...........5.3....................22.8
Gibbs-Lawhorn.........2.4...........0.9....................7.1
Morez Johnson..*..17.2...........14.1....................n/a
* denotes high school stats
Jason Stakstys (redshirt)
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Which is right around 11.25 bananas, or 6'7, depending on your methods of measurement.
Depending on tomorrow's results, we could see them square off against each other in Sunday's final.
I trust the staff's ability to find great players...
but the just truth is...those types of guys don't come around often.
Going out with the mindset of "we need to get another TSJ" is just not the right idea - nobody in the portal, commitment or uncommitted, is that level imo.
Tbh, putting the label of "TSJ replacement" on a certain player at the current moment might honestly be unfair to both parties...
but the just truth is...those types of guys don't come around often.
Going out with the mindset of "we need to get another TSJ" is just not the right idea - nobody in the portal, commitment or uncommitted, is that level imo.
Tbh, putting the label of "TSJ replacement" on a certain player at the current moment might honestly be unfair to both parties...
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Shannon has always gotten to the line at a high rate, so his 3pt% didn't prevent him from being efficient overall. Shannon's TS% by year was 56.8%, 55.5%, 58.1%, 58.1%, and 62.2%. White's was 52.7%, 53.9%. Shannon's usage every year was higher than White's usage in his highest year so far.
There's a big gap to close there. White could take a leap as big as Shannon took this year just to be as good as freshman Shannon.
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patience, good things come to those who wait. Brad and company are going to serve up some good cooking with vintage wine. Don't want their souffle to fall
I would like to think that was karma catching up with Skyy. We gave to Louisville...now we're receiving something better back
Wait... what?
Tre White won't be as good next year as freshman version Terrance who averaged single digits and was 5th/6th banana at Texas Tech? And needs to make a Terrance Shannon JR-to-SR year type of leap just to even hope to get there?
Holy moly that's certainly quite a take.
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TSJ career 3pt% before coming to Illinois: 35.1%
Tre White career 3pt% before coming to Illinois: 28.6%
I like White, but I don't think he has the guard skills TSJ had. White seems more like a 3/4 while TSJ a 2/3.
That said, he's probably better with his off-hand than TSJ was at the same stage.
Who is this Jason Stakstys that is redshirting ?.
I get that it's easier to respond with snark than a constructive counterpoint, but I'll try to ignore it.
I didn't say he "won't" be as good. I said it would take a decent step up in "results" to be as good. I think many people overvalue points/gm and undervalue efficiency (adjusted for usage) and/or other contributions. Some players have all the potential/talent/flash in the world, but until they become efficient at scoring (or deliver something else to make up for it), their measurable contribution is not as high as many people think.
Here's a comparison of freshman Shannon with sophomore White. Shannon was much more efficient on similar usage (slightly more attempts when factoring in the attempts that lead to free throws) and with substantially more steals and slightly more blocks (moderately more blocks when looking at % of opponent 2pt shots blocked). His minutes were lower, but high enough that he was playing against legitimate competition rather than garbage time. White did have a higher 3pt% and identical 2pt%, but Shannon still outscored White per possession due to getting to the line and taking fewer 3pt shots. While also committed fewer fouls. The all-in-one metrics clearly favor Shannon by far- I mention those last since they can be unreliable for various reasons, but when the gap is that big, it's more likely there's a real difference.
Almost looking like a Dream Shake .
Weber had a few flaws. His personal flaw was he had an incredible inferiority complex that produced the whiniest, off the wall, awkward interviews and such.
The second flaw was that his assistants were AWFUL, out side of Wayne McLain. Jerrance did not do a whole lot for being such a recruiting savant.
If he would have had an Orlando Antigua, Bruce could very well still be our Head Coach. For my money he was the best X’s and O’s head coach we have had in my lifetime.
The second flaw was that his assistants were AWFUL, out side of Wayne McLain. Jerrance did not do a whole lot for being such a recruiting savant.
If he would have had an Orlando Antigua, Bruce could very well still be our Head Coach. For my money he was the best X’s and O’s head coach we have had in my lifetime.
...and since you mention "single digits" points/game and which banana the guy is, we're comparing 12.3pts/gm from a guy who didn't stand out on a bad team vs 9.8pts/gm from a guy who was as good as any of his teammates on a decent team. I'll easily take Shannon between those.
Thanks, Geoff
I've already said this to you in a previous thread: we're all supposed to be friends here. No need for more snark.
I understand that TS% can be taken out of context (usage, minutes, role, etc), but it's very relevant here. Why would you not prefer the guy who scores more points per shot (and took similar # shots/minute, and played decent minutes)?
I understand that TS% can be taken out of context (usage, minutes, role, etc), but it's very relevant here. Why would you not prefer the guy who scores more points per shot (and took similar # shots/minute, and played decent minutes)?
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Yeah, that’s obvious. The op cherry picked the worse year to amplify the point, so I did in kind
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